Versarien Share Discussion Threads

[diversification] 21/10/2018 14:20

This weekend my filter list has doubled. So much tosh.

For me, Neill Ricketts is fully aware of the fact he now is at the business end of the cycle with some of these collaborations and now needs to deliver a deal.

I have invested my money, I have considered the risk and I will either profit from what I consider to be a leader in its industry or I will lose my shirt.

On the subject of losing my shirt, we have many irons in many fires and therefore that helps to manage the associated risks compared to being a one trick pony.

What we can’t influence is how quickly the industry adopts the product but it is my opinion that the collaborations will deliver before any international expansion.

Good luck all, don’t let anyone influence your investment decision and have conviction in your research.

[loglorry1] 21/10/2018 14:11

Someone posted earlier to say FGR were not shipping Graphene and it was all talk.

Here is the link that proves they started Dec 2017

[club sandwich] 21/10/2018 14:03

Super - credit where it's due, you were absolutely right about PRG. Let's hope you're equally right about VRS...

[realcooltrader] 21/10/2018 14:00

11:53 "Not me @sonny but I've posted too much. I'll leave you all alone now."

Since when, 5 posts. I hate to think how many posts if he was still here.

[loglorry1] 21/10/2018 13:33

Companies, nomads, brokers etc will repeatedly lie for gain or to try to save their ass.
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...and yet VRS can do no wrong? Oh come on. NR has even got form on his rampathon promotion. Have you seen the claims he made about Versarien Cu ? It was a total flop but at the time he said the same things about it that he does about Nanene.

I notice he never likes to talk about that one.

[ellissj] 21/10/2018 13:31

Actually, having read up on 'electrochemical exfoliation of graphite' as a method to produce graphene, i am more confident than ever in vrs +nanene and graphinks. And the gnano/vrs 2D next gen battery offering. Been a more than useful exercise. Aimo. Glalth. Off to enjoy the sun. Best ellis

[loglorry1] 21/10/2018 13:28

SuperG you say FGR don't publish layer levels however their product has been tested by UoM and they've been given one of three premier memberships of GEIC.

Furthermore the layer levels published by VRS are implied from Raman a measurement technique not acceptable under the new PAS a precursor to the ISO standard.

Nothing about Nanene is particularly special to justify the £200million market cap.

Why does FGR have lateral dimensions so much greater than Nanene a property which has been shown to help strengthen polymers in the scientific literature?

[serratia] 21/10/2018 13:28

From XG's accounts 2017 -

Based on the status of current discussions with customers and their feedback on the performance of our materials in their products, we believe we
will be able to recognize approximately $10 – $20 million of revenue in 2018, although this cannot be assured.

Half year actual sales 2018 $1.7m !!

Cost of goods sold still exceeds the sales without the added R&D/Admin costs tec.

[luckyorange] 21/10/2018 13:27

I saw similar with Talga Pcjoe, they were talking up the graphite mine and had recently mined some and actually put up a pic with two men with spades and hard hats filling a couple of yellow buckets with graphite... you couldn't make it up!

[loglorry1] 21/10/2018 13:21

SuperG why did you ban Spid81 from posting?

[pcjoe] 21/10/2018 13:10

Hey LOL-LOG - Here`s a picture of your FGR production facillity - A few blue plastic barrels , some poly bags, some cardboard boxes & a shed! (I remember laughing at this inspring Foto at the time)- Leaves our Cambrdge/Manchester Uni Birthplace in the shade



Cost substantially less than $1mill? - I bet it did! - I could buy that lot from B&Q for a few hundred quid......

Some reassurance for you though -

"Having purchased its own Raman spectrograph, FGR is able to complete various testing procedures on its own premises."

That`ll be alright then........

Hope they know which end is the right way-up!

Hilarious

[ellissj] 21/10/2018 13:10

Thx hover. From that nature article i recently posted, you will see their method (of electrochemical exfoliation) also produces large laterals. Also read the 'scale up section' below which gives a good understanding upon how bulk product versus 'few layer' final production yields may be achieved.and how calculation methods used by the industry in general can be 'misleading.' Using logic, and the claims by the authors of this report, it seems likely by using this method of production only small yields of 'few layer' graphene can be achieved. Aimo. Best ellis

"Scaleup"

"Yield is one of the most critical metrics for scalable production. Note that the field of graphene production has suffered from a lack of standardization on this point. For example, prior efforts have calculated yield as simply the mass liberated from the graphite electrode divided by the original graphite mass36. This is somewhat misleading, because after the yield is determined, additional sonication and centrifugation (i.e. separation) is needed to produce graphene such that only a fraction of that material actually becomes few-layer graphene."

[superg1] 21/10/2018 13:08

Rid

Been busy and I still am. I still haven’t had the chance to lidten to the podcast.

I’ve covered FGR a few times. They make impossible claims which then smount to
lies, and won’t quote layer levels.

They did a video on how they do ot in great detail.

The UOM have that method and joined up with Morgan advanced mayerials to progress it. It’s gone nowhere. Multi and many layer graphite can help re conductivity, it’s been discussed many times.

FGR talk BS, unfortunately Spid has fallen for it.

I’m completely stunned by the amount of apparently intelligent investors fall for such BS and fraud day in day out.

Simplifying it. If someone put their car in for a service and they replaced many things that you had replaced last week.

EG the tyres, wiper blades and various other parts.

Some you know as they are visible and you know damn well the changes were not needed. However a brake fluid change, tune up, velocity joints and so on couldn’t be argued against.

So the garage having been caught out admits lying to all the things you can prove and says everything else you can’t challenge is true and genuine.

First up you wouldn’t believe a word they say and you would never go back to them and tell friends to avoid them.

ALL shares bar none over 9 years where I have found lies have collapsed.

You were very positive about Hayd and I mentioned the BS there, now look at their circs.

AGM a definite false RNS.

FUM repeated lies, take a look at the share price

PRG bust.

Talga seemed to be popular and they were full of BS.
FGR same BS.

Now I see 2 directors pocket over £900k between them.

It seems to me many ‘investorsR17; are just plain stupid when it comes to fraudsters selling stories.

The TSX, ASX and AIM
attract such fraudsters it’s easy lucrative money.

Takers (which is what fraudsters are) have no morals they love making money and couldn’t give a damn what happens to those that back them.

If you see blatant lies walk on.

I’ve explained the same point many times.

[serratia] 21/10/2018 12:50

H,

There is one complication re density. Graphene has a tendency to agglomerate so the longer you leave it the more dense it will become. To be accurate you would need to compare densities of Graphene of the same age.

[hoverflyman] 21/10/2018 12:35

Ellis, interesting points again; I find the density measurement raised by Spid81 of interest and suspect he is right that lower density for the same lateral dimensions must indicate fewer layers.

[ellissj] 21/10/2018 12:25

Indeed lucky, i agree and understand the situ. Of interest to me, was that the researchers could claim their end product was 'graphene' because it gave a 'graphene' signature on a raman test. But under the afm test, it was described as 2-7nm in thickness, ie 6-21 layers of single layer graphene, which is beyond proposed iso defn. But that then, they also ackonwledge their product isn't 'few layer graphene!' Ie the iso defn of graphene ! It Clearly demonstrates the need for standards and certification of products to put the industry on a sound footing ! Aimo. Best ellis.

[ih_560244] 21/10/2018 12:24

As far as I can see from First Graphite's own News section - the only material they've actually sold to anyone anywhere yet equates to graphene oxide - and that the PureGraph that Tim keeps telling us is wiping the floor in competition with Nanene, isn't even on sale yet. Lab samples appear to be all they are able to provide so far from the whopping great production facility that Tim keeps on telling us about. Tim does tell porkies it seems. (But we knew that)

[festario] 21/10/2018 12:23

I thought Kempster said he was going to sod off? He cant even tell the truth about that!

[loglorry1] 21/10/2018 12:20

@pcjoe the article says

"Earlier this year, it announced the successful commissioning of its bulk graphene production unit at its Henderson facility, south of Fremantle, and is now supplying trial parcels of graphene to a wide range of potential customers around the world."

Remember First Graphene market cap is a tiny fraction of VRS.

Oh I forgot it's fine for VRS because SiperG calls it "junk" and he'll ban anyone who says otherwise.

[pcjoe] 21/10/2018 12:12

Well, Well!

So According to my neighbour Tim - PureGraph is the First Graphene superior equivalent of Nanene - superior in every aspect it seems

The FGR CEO & Tim say that they have so many collaborations that they they cant be bothered to RNS them - Far too straight shooters to engage in Rickett style Ramping? - LOL!

VERY STRANGE - Am I wrong? - Or does the following article not just suggest that this product has possibly not even hit the shelves yet? - Just how can there be any collaborations?

From September 18 2018

"First Graphene throws down the gauntlet with release of PureGRAPH" - Tonnes of the stuff just primed to hit the market!





Yet Tim is convinced of its superiority ALREADY?


Two things going on here IMHO

1) A coordinated short attack on VRS
2) A Rampity Ramp long position taken out on FGR

Who is involved? - Not just the local bears perhaps - Quite likely a few dodgy and possibly envious scumbag characters in Perth Australia helping them out as well

[haz101] 21/10/2018 12:12

Good points Serratia

[luckyorange] 21/10/2018 12:12

It doesn't matter about other companies ellis they are promoting graphene and as NR said..... great!

I could point you to information on FGR but won't because it is now boring and an aussie graphene mine, b/s rules, get it?

[luckyorange] 21/10/2018 12:09

Keep posting Alchemy, don't think I will ever be able to tune in to your mindset (I think I should be happy with that?).

But sometimes when you post something I just burst out laughing, you are a boon to this bb and thanks for keeping it up. 👌