Versarien Share Discussion Threads

[diversification] 12/10/2018 07:04

Institutionl holding is not 70 odd percent like it has been suggested regardless of that article.

If you look on the companies website at the shareholder register, it is made up by private investor shareholding accounts for example ‘Halifax sharedealing’ the most obvious one.

Looking forward to a nice bounce today.

When institutions do turn up though, likely after this fall or following a major order/international expansion. That’s when the games will really start as they try to prise your shares out of your hands.

[shavian] 12/10/2018 07:04

Sandbag: my PP is held on the Transact platform which is brilliant. Unfortunately for some it’s normally accessed via an IFA where it is the platform of choice for good advisers because it is so closely aligned to the needs of the client, and at reasonable cost. It is operated by Integarted Financial Arrangements LSE:IHP which floated in March and is worth a look (Disclosure: I hold IHP)

[festario] 12/10/2018 07:02

7am. Nada. Back to sleep for old Fezzie then.

[anotherdrink] 12/10/2018 06:53

Surprisingly no change to the UoM website:)'Combining all of graphene's amazing properties could create an impact of the scale last seen with the Industrial Revolution.' Hope we have a positive intra day RNS rather than one at 7:00 am - should keep certain parties that have contributed to our current share price decline on their toes somewhat.....

[1crackupboom] 12/10/2018 06:49

I think we can assume they are not talking batteries just yet. Making cars light weight is just as if not more important than adding graphene to batteries. So much energy is wasted accelerating cars in non free flowing traffic. If you can offset the weight of heavy batteries with graphene composites in the cars structure and get the batteries into the floor of the car you are onto a winner. No reason electric cars can not handle as well as a renaultsport megane or civic fk8 if that is achieved.

[grabster] 12/10/2018 06:37

a-game - "Neill & the team have been in contact with Tesla for a few years now and Neill's Tesla is going to be 'modified' to show the Tesla team the potential of Graphene."

Elsewhere yesterday NR I think was quoted as placing composites ahead of polymers and batteries, in terms of market progress. Elon Musk has (in the past) been sceptical of graphene in batteries. Was there any indication that composites (in bodywork, seats, etc) might be the area where NR is talking to Tesla, rather than batteries?

[1crackupboom] 12/10/2018 06:37

You are essentially talking about angular momentum being lower due to less mass. Lighter blades would make a helicopter slightly more efficient. Any reduction in auto rotation angular momentum would be negligible as they only turn the blades to positive angle of attack in last few seconds. The windmilling effect creates most of the drag to stop the helicopter accelerating towards the ground.

[vrs1] 12/10/2018 06:29

Great post a_game - a VRS-Tesla connection has long been suspected. NR has put up so many Tesla photos on Twitter. As NR says - so much is going on in the background that we don't know about andd that he can't tell us. I feel a 15p rise today. And with the greatest of respect guys, don't fall for the doomsters predictions - they will once again, have made a fortune at our expense. Once we have one order, This will open the floodgates. Patience. share price by end of month = £2. DYOR.

[1crackupboom] 12/10/2018 06:26

Big rally today on FTSE. Us will open up massively also. Look at futures.VRS will claw back a lot of its losses without massive volume. It was only stop losses on spreadbets that dropped price and threw people out of positions they wanted to keep. We wont need to climb wall of worry to get back to 180p area. Just my opinion. It's because VRS was such a sought after share that people went on margin. The shares of those stopped out will be in much stronger hands now.

[cdub1] 12/10/2018 06:01

Really not looking forward to today! I have an image of the market makers in their Alpine Lair planning and scheming "Operation Clawback". "Ve vill do votever it takes to get hold of ze Versarien shares", "ve vill shake, ve vill display false prices, ve vill send our minions on ze Twitters, ve vill not stop until ve have repatriated all VRS shares from ze private investors dying hands, zen ve vill charge £2+ mwhah mwah mwah!!!"

[chimpandy1] 12/10/2018 01:24

Good question spike. In my opinion lighter blades would make it easier for the airflow to spin the rotor during descent, but when the aircraft flairs at the end it relies upon the inertia forces built up during the descent to provide lift. If the blades were too light I doubt you would be able to hold a long enough flair to land safely. It would act like a flywheel in a car, if you fit a lighter flywheel then it accelerates faster but it doesn't store as much energy.

I still think graphene will be used in blades though as blades can have weights in them anyway. However not for weight saving. All modern blades have a copper mesh under the paint to dissipate static electricity and to bond the blade with the aircraft in case of a lightning strike. If graphene was used in the paint to conduct electricity then I would imagine that this would remove the need for the copper mesh. In dusty areas the blades are often subjected to erosion and the paint needs to be replied, graphene could be the fix. Strength is always something that could be improved on also, better protection against bird strikes etc.

That is just blades. I could go on and on about the other benefits that graphene could bring to the composite airframes, batteries, tires, avionics equipment and all the areas where weight saving can be made but I have probably bored you all to sleep now!

On that note I am off to bed. See you all at 0700

[luckyorange] 12/10/2018 01:05

On Thursday, the Dow and S&P 500 share indexes closed more than 2% lower, while the Nasdaq slipped 1.25%.

Snowflakes..... again !

[squire007] 12/10/2018 01:04

Derr !! No ...They would rotate faster and the rest of the helicopter would weigh less !!Think big not small .... night !! Ffs!?

[squire007] 12/10/2018 00:57

Thx for that Maisto, great input and explanation, and for your time etc, wish i could have been there. We will get some brilliant news very soon. :-)

[spike_1] 12/10/2018 00:41

OT - Chimp, I'm curious, graphene could also lighten blades somewhat - but is that more or less of an advantage overall, given that autorotation allows a helicopter to land safely following an engine failure, lighter blades will presumably reduce that ability.

Cheers - Spike

[sandbag] 12/10/2018 00:26

Shavian,

Who is your SIPP with?
Thanks.

[chimpandy1] 12/10/2018 00:24

Thanks for your write up maisto, very reassuring. Hopefully I can get to the aerospace investors day! As a helicopter engineer I can't wait to see graphene introduced into our future aircraft. Especially since my colligues already say I talk too much about graphene!

[haz101] 12/10/2018 00:16

Volsung I don’t think anyone here is getting attached to a share we all have done our homework and it’s individual choice/appetite for risk that determines whether we are on or off the ride

[shavian] 12/10/2018 00:12

Well, quite an interesting day, as they say in China. That flushing noise I heard this morning was the sound of the paper value of my intended Maserati disappearing down the lav. Seriously. But am I bovvered? Not at all. Fortunately we had a few coppers left from behind the sofa so topped up a few for the memsahib’s ISA, although we missed the 112p nadir. We had been pleased to get some in the PB at 145p, so why not be delirious about copping some more at 130p-ish?

I was taught a new trick yesterday about moving VRS shares in specie from SIPP/PP to ISA, perfectly legally, if anyone’s interested it’s called a cash to asset swap, if your platform is prepared to help you. If you have cash in your trading account, the platform can legally swap it for assets such as VRS shares in your pension wrapper, at market value. You can then move the shares in specie to your ISA if you have headroom, as a normal ISA contribution. Won't be relevant to everybody, but It helped me as I have too many locked up in my pension and not enough available to spend one day in my ISA. Not that it helps at the moment because the Maserati just headed off down the loo. But maybe I’ll be able to afford a Tesla next month??

[luckyorange] 12/10/2018 00:01

Well volsung, why didn't you say before it happened and when is the next one?

It's short term and not the end of the world.

[haz101] 11/10/2018 23:58

Not at all John I get where your coming from, I admire your honesty and we are all in this together as LTH, your right everyone has their own story, best regards Haz

[haz101] 11/10/2018 23:55

Iain I would agree with u on that 100%

[sandbag] 11/10/2018 23:23

Superb advice from luckyorange:

What should you do after a stock market crash?
Nothing
For long-term investors, the best thing to do when the stock market crashes is nothing.

Take a breath, turn off the news and—whatever you do—don’t log in to view your account balances.

Resist any urge to sell stocks
Selling stocks in panic is the worst thing you could do after a stock market crash. Successful investing is about buying low and selling high. When you sell after a crash, you do just the opposite.