Versarien Share Discussion Threads

[volsung] 11/10/2018 23:12

Treat the stock market as a meditation on attachment. Attachment always brings suffering. Avoid attachment to any share.

[iain dick] 11/10/2018 23:11

Eloquently and passionately said Maisto.well conveyed

The shear time , intellect and effort the VRS team put in WILL be rewarded in spades at some juncture.

[luckyorange] 11/10/2018 23:08

Just posting this out of interest, how quickly we forget!

"Why You Shouldn’t Care About The Stock Market Drop
By David Weliver  • February 6, 2018Advertising Disclosure
After a stock market crash, the best thing to do — at least for a while — may be nothing. Here’s why.

If you haven’t already heard, on February 5th, the stock market experienced the largest drop it has in years, with the Dow plunging almost 1,600 points. The drop amounted to 4.6 percent, which is the biggest decline since the European debt crisis in 2011.

For investors, such stock market drops are scary.

They are also predictable.

While nobody can predict when the market will tank (or by how much), we all know that markets ebb and flow. Sometimes, they do so dramatically (especially when unexpected events occur).

But a stock market crash like we witnessed this week is only bad news if you need your money soon. This is why you shouldn’t buy stocks with money you’ll need in the next couple of years.

For all other investors, a stock market crash should be a non-issue.

In the past few years, the S&P 500 has experienced significant drops, neither of which did any lasting damage.

Over those years, however, the value of the S&P 500 has more than doubled.

That’s the good news, and also the bad.

The fact that the S&P 500 has done so well over the last several years (despite the occasional scary bump) is a reminder that stocks are still a great long-term investment. But stocks won’t climb at this rate forever.

How much a long-term stock market investor can expect to earn over 30 or 40 years is the subject of much debate.

Historically, an average annual rate of return of 10 percent (not adjusted for inflation) over 30 years is not unusual. But we shouldn’t expect that will always be the case. This article does a good job explaining why.

What should you do after a stock market crash?
Nothing
For long-term investors, the best thing to do when the stock market crashes is nothing.

Take a breath, turn off the news and—whatever you do—don’t log in to view your account balances.

Resist any urge to sell stocks
Selling stocks in panic is the worst thing you could do after a stock market crash. Successful investing is about buying low and selling high. When you sell after a crash, you do just the opposite.

And if you think you can just cash out for now and then get back in when the market improves, consider this: You have no way of knowing when the market will swing back. And there is a big cost to missing just a few really good days in the stock market.

For example, if you invested $10,000 in the S&P 500 between 1993 and 2013 and left your money invested, you would end up with $58,333, a 9.2 percent annual compounded return. If you missed the 10 best days, you would end with just $29,111, a 5.49 percent return. If you missed the 20 best days, you’d have just $11,984 (a 0.91 percent return). These statics are from a 2014 Guide To Retirement by JP Morgan Asset Management.

Buy stocks (if you were going to anyway)
The best time to buy investments is when you have money to invest. The best time to sell investments is when you need money for something else.

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[1crackupboom] 11/10/2018 23:05

I thought you were going to say Neill felt bad for the shareholders not himself. He says he doesn't care about the money all the time on Twitter. The share price drop makes no odds to him if he believes the company is going places in the future. He could not have sold at 180p regardless so the paper loss is irrelevant to him if he is 6 months ahead of everyone else and knows the price will be much higher. I hope you got the wrong end of the stick.

[grabster] 11/10/2018 23:02

"..Versarien already has institutions on the share registry. Indeed, they own 76% of the company..."

Really??
I don't think so.

Source:

Mind you, their graphic clearly shows it to be a very healthy company ;-)

(there is an email address for those who wish to advise the author of his errors)

[maisto] 11/10/2018 22:54

So I met Neill tonight, at the investors event in London.. A few things that were news and/or important for me (some of them are mentioned by others):

- Matt's been quiet over the last 2-3 weeks because his wife was became very ill after the birth. She is ok now thankfully and Matt's reappearing. Wish them all the best.
- NR wants to organise two informative investors events for a limited number of people over the first 6 months of 2019 (or in the next 6 months - not sure); one for the EVs (particularly what Gnanomat is bringing to the table) and another for aerospace.
- He also still wants to do the investors day in December in GEIC, ideally after the preliminary results as otherwise he won't be able to talk about many things.
- Re China, he reiterated the point that Redchef brought up in his top post, "Unless the deal is right we won't get a licence from UK government." Basically the UK Government needs to sign off the deal, in terms of IP protection, to allow VRS to go into production in China. This is what's taking so long.
- The Tesla chat was exactly as quoted by others before me so I will not repeat that.

It might sound silly but the bit that affected me most was when he said today was the worst day of his life - his words exactly. He said he 'felt bad when he lost £1m when the share price went from 36p to 26p but losing £10m in a day puts things into perspective'. I know he says it after each and every interview with Justin but still, for the first time I really appreciated the fact that he is the biggest share holder. And him being the extremely hard-working, driven and honest (as far as I can judge from a distance) person that he is, I really believe he will deliver.

It was also great to meet a few other members of the VRS family. Shame I missed you A-Game, maybe next time. The organisation wasn't great by the way. Well, there was free booze and very welcoming faces at a chic venue but the noise from the adjacent bar and the terrible sound system was a real shame.

One last note, Neill gave me his card and the back side is in Chinese! A very nice and encouraging touch, I thought :). Oh and he has his mobile number on the card - another sign of a humble and approachable CEO!

All in all, this was a very welcome evening for me under the circumstances. I haven't sold a share (am holding over 100k) but like most people, I can't help but feel bad about the paper loss and/or get a bit worried about the near term ie until news arrive and jittery global markets. I have faith in Neill and his team to do the job though; and not just a good job, but a great one. If it takes a bit longer than we expected, so be it. I shall be sitting tight.

Good night everyone.

[grabster] 11/10/2018 22:43

Not spotted any reference to Versarien among the award winners.

[nemo19] 11/10/2018 22:42

AIM awards: VRS was nominated in Innovative Fundraising of the Year Award. Award went to Burford Capital and Zoo Digital Group won Best Performing Share Award

[grabster] 11/10/2018 22:37

Thanks for the feedback from those who attended today's investor event. Despite Elon Musk being reported 4 years ago as looking into graphene in batteries, he has on occasions since then been quite dismissive of graphene. If Tesla have indeed been talking or working with Versarien for several years, it kinda sounds like he wasn't yet persuaded as recently as 2017 when he once again waved aside an interview question about graphene. Any news of serious interest by him after such a sceptical stance is something I would find very encouraging.

[diversification] 11/10/2018 22:32

Sonsonnyjim,

If you want to post then post, if people don’t like what you have to say then they can filter you.

You do need to not panic so much though 😂

[1stokie] 11/10/2018 22:21

Kempster talked earlier about comedy gold He must have been looking in the mirror.His modus operandi hasn't changed in all these years.If we weren't such a third world country he and his ilk would have spent the last few years in jail.

[sonsonnyjim] 11/10/2018 22:19

Grabster / jointer fair point. I'll leave it till tomorrow lunchtime then and check jointers post.

[jointer13] 11/10/2018 22:17

grabster
11 Oct '18 - 22:12 - 39999 of 39999
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"..if upvotes outweigh downs I will stay.."

Sonsonnyjim - I trust you are aware that the up/down ratio is skewed? Paying subscribers can vote up or down - non-paying subscribers (the majority on Advfn) are only allowed to vote up. So the outcome cannot be taken as any kind of fair reflection. You can safely assume that the downs are under recorded ;-)

there is another way of doing it for fair play.

if you want him to leave...vote this post up.

if not vote down.-:)

[grabster] 11/10/2018 22:12

"..if upvotes outweigh downs I will stay.."

Sonsonnyjim - I trust you are aware that the up/down ratio is skewed? Paying subscribers can vote up or down - non-paying subscribers (the majority on Advfn) are only allowed to vote up. So the outcome cannot be taken as any kind of fair reflection. You can safely assume that the downs are under recorded, for all posters ;-)

[occultusverum1] 11/10/2018 22:11

Thanks Ellis, I had a quick look there as well but couldnt see anything. I guess Neill will post something on twitter later or tomorrow.

[jointer13] 11/10/2018 22:07

beware..scumbags.

[1crackupboom] 11/10/2018 22:07

Loglorry. You are a stuck record.

[smallfry1] 11/10/2018 22:07

Thanks Haz101

My post was not meant to be a poor mr post
It’s just the way it is
But I hope in fact I believe that this is the company to be behind
Like you said Hazel blood and and tears yes
You know the score
I accept all our stories are different
But we all want the same
If not for us then for our families
Thank you all
John

[loglorry1] 11/10/2018 22:04

I still am at a loss to understand why if there are large shorts desparate to close, and large outstanding T20 deals where stock has to be bought to settle, why were the shares were so weak today? It makes no sense. They should have been closing and supporting the price.

Sounds a bit like some of the 'long term holders' might be a bit less long term than they claim.

I see SuperG is being shy. That's OK I didn't expect him to want a cuddle from a friendly bear anyway.

Good luck #vrsfamily

[club sandwich] 11/10/2018 21:57

I started buying at 19.5p and my last purchase was at 70-something (79, think it was).

Do I look bovvered? Well do I, punk?

[ellissj] 11/10/2018 21:57

Just checked aim award website and their twitter page occults, no mention of winners on there. Best ellis

[1crackupboom] 11/10/2018 21:54

I dont think we need to worry about FTSE or Dow. Many aim stocks have been untouched. Vrs has already taken a beating so expect a recovery regardless

[occultusverum1] 11/10/2018 21:47

Does anyone know if the AIM award winners been announced yet?

[jointer13] 11/10/2018 21:43

johnveals..exactly, so easy to see through,always trying to twist things to suit his agenda.
sg has had him blocked for a long time...and he knows that.

a lying scumbag of the highest degree