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[club sandwich] 01/10/2018 12:27

not the dreaded 'I' word again... ;-)

[ellissj] 01/10/2018 12:27

Thx baz :) best ellis

[a_game] 01/10/2018 12:27

Look forward to catching up with some of you here at the TMS event. Timing is interesting - Neill might have something fresh off the press to talk about!

[baz99] 01/10/2018 12:10

Ellis,

found an excel list of innovate projects on the gov web site at



you need to filter for Faraday in column B

Baz

[hew] 01/10/2018 12:05

compoundup, indeed Claire Grey's talk shows the depth and scope of leading edge work towards "ideal" batteries, though most detail was beyond me. Overall well worth the time. Some relief to see at the end that the work was by a good number of people on the different areas. Felt she rather timed out at the end or we might have heard more re graphene aspects. Given the range of requirements across practical applications I guess developments will be a matter of horses for courses.

In the nearer term practical field I'm anticipating from interests and excitements that, although still short of the fundamentals that Claire Grey etc are exploring, some real and rewarding improvements in batteries are within reach. I noted Neill's "good researching, no secrets from you" response to Mike B's mention of "clues" in Claire Grey's talk. EDIT: Now read the far better comments above, inc. by Mike B!

[burtond1] 01/10/2018 12:03

https://twitter.com/tmsreach/status/1046716016959651840?s=21Event in London @ 5pm 11th October

[ellissj] 01/10/2018 12:01

Mike B, if reduced graphene oxide used in claire grey video is many layer, then agreed likely graphite ? Certainly from the skeleton announcement, i gained the impression that it's the curved nature of their 'graphene' that is the key ? But maybe that's only true in graphite. Maybe +nanene doesn't produce a curved effect, and is better for it. And if by using few layer graphene the results are probably better again. Therefore, if so, a double positive effect, and difficult for competitors to replicate unless they have an equivalent tech to +nanene. In other words, graphene oxide producers will never be able to replicate the same benefits that GNP's like +nanene can achieve. Just lateral thinking and speculation from a layman ! Aimo. Dyor. Best ellis

[ellissj] 01/10/2018 11:53

Re faraday challenge, i read 12 projects on the go, but i could find only 4 examples. Can anyone help out ? If not, the rest under nda ? Best ellis

[ashehzi] 01/10/2018 11:49

Sorry for being naughty. Good to hear from you.

[adejuk] 01/10/2018 11:45

ash
sitting on my hands and stock
no time to play

[lovat scout] 01/10/2018 11:41

Shavian - Daily Mail article today by Isabel Hardman about EV infrastructure. Has a way to go it seems in the UK.

[smallfry1] 01/10/2018 11:35

Thanks Haz101
Like yourself I will be around for a long long time
This company and its team are the real deal and great supporters too.

[shavian] 01/10/2018 11:31

In his ‘Agenda’ Article in yesterday’s Sunday Times biz section, John Collingridge was very dismissive about UK’s efforts in preparing the country and its creaking infrastructure for the looming wave of change caused by the arrival of EVs. Just the battery research centre in the Midlands (WMG) but no sign of a full-scale factory. He says we are ill prepared as a country for EVs, and that the £400m which HMG has committed to upgrading the charging infrastructure is minuscule compared with the likely cost. And the £246m committed to the Faraday Challenge is split up into tiny parcels such as Zap&Go.

He has a point. We hear a lot about a few hydrogen fuelling stations around London and I know that fast charge points are slowly emerging, but I’m not buying my (Austrian-built) I-Pace Jaguar until I can see more fast chargers in place around where I usually drive mostly in S Wales. More undoubtedly needs to be done, but perhaps he has not bothered to look at the zap-map of existing chargers recently:



Does not look too bad to me on a national scale, even If I don’t yet have one in my back yard. And maybe he has not looked at Williams Advanced Engineering (another Faraday Challenge winner) with its total dominance of Formula E as the sole battery supplier.

Additionally I think he underestimates HMG’s support for high-tech industry and specifically graphene. Perhaps we are a bit behind the curve in building giga-factories, but just maybe the Li-ion batteries now being produced by Tesla and in China are already yesterday’s game? Bring on the VRS/GNO/ZapGo combo to take U.K. to the top of the battery tech leaderboard!

[affc21] 01/10/2018 11:29

I have not come across anything that would suggest that the patent was granted, so guessing it is still on going

[baz99] 01/10/2018 11:22

Watched the Claire Grey video a second time, which didnt further my understanding too much. It left me thinking this is rather complicated science and presumably presents a high barrier to entry. So if Gnanomat have cracked the puzzle they could be near the forefront of the battery chemistry which further explains why Neill was so obviously excited

RTJ
you must have an older model ICD, the new ones vibrate so that deaf people can be alerted!

BAZ

[mikebrenner] 01/10/2018 11:17

I believe with the gains skeleton tech are talking about they are still using a nano graphite hence when / if VRS Nanene / Graphinks and Gnanomat make things work it will totally disrupt the market. Other observation is that Gnanomat have a platform to characterise graphene to various metals and metal oxides - if you see the problems raised in Clare grays presentation there are opps to do this with aluminium, lithium and sodium in a variety of forms which are mega barriers today that graphite can't solve.

[ashehzi] 01/10/2018 10:58

ade is busy playing few pence game. Is it once a day ade? He isn't at the A&E.

ps. Sorry, with due respect, I mean.

[pandar] 01/10/2018 10:51

affc21: Thanks for the research

I'm a small long term holder

Do you know if that patent application was granted?

[affc21] 01/10/2018 10:44

Meant to mention that the Gnanomat plant was supported by Repsol'sEntrepreneurs Fund.

[affc21] 01/10/2018 10:36

Having done my own basic research on Gnanomat, it would appear that they have the know-how (their claim) to scale up from the lab to pre-industrial scale graphene-based nanomaterials for the energy storage market.(Guessing GNP based cathodes and anodes, as others have also suggested ?)Gnanomat presents the brand-new nanomaterials pilot plant to manufacture its Graphene-based nanomaterials for energy storage.Dec 12, 2017.Last November 28th, Gnanomat presented its new laboratories to investors, institutions and different companies that had the chance to visit their offices and their newly opened pilot plant. This new facility incorporates high technology and versatility in the treatment of nanomaterials.The construction and commissioning of the Pilot Plant, unique in its characteristics in the Community of Madrid, is a milestone for this high-tech company, that will allow the scaling of its promising graphene-based nanomaterials on a pre-industrial scale. Thanks to this plant, Gnanomat will be able to produce up to 100 kilos of product per year, being the previous step to test the viability of its products, before launching them to the market.Gnanomat, a 100% private company located in Madrid, aims to revolutionize the energy storage market in the coming years with an alternative approach, that allows to storage energy more efficiently and substantially increase the performance of the electrode materials.At the beginning of 2018, Gnanomat will rise a series A round to boost the development and scaling of its nanomaterials. Also, the company continues exploring collaborations with the main manufacturers of energy storage devices.About Gnanomat: high-tech company that designs and develops graphene-based nanomaterials for energy storage devices. Gnanomat has received funding from the European Union's Horizon 2020 research and innovation projects.http://gnanomat.com/2017/12/12/gnanomat-presents-the-brand-new-nanomaterials-pilot-plant-to-manufacture-its-graphene-based-nanomaterials-for-energy-storage/Filed a new patent application on behalf of GnanomatMay 4, 2018As part of the company strategy to improve and protect its intellectual property, Gnanomat has filed a new patent application. This patent covers a new method to manufacture high add value graphene-based nanomaterials in the area of Energy Storage. This patent provides a remarkable competitive advantage to bring company products at industrial scale. This milestone is part of the activities of the Product Development programme of the company to generate new intellectual assets over time.http://gnanomat.com/2018/05/04/filled-a-new-patent-application-on-behalf-of-gnanomat/

[psxtalks2u] 01/10/2018 10:30

It's the start of a new vrs week....of course I'm enthusiastic!!

[tini5] 01/10/2018 10:21

I seem to recall NR saying at some point in the last few months, (can't remember if it was in person or via Twitter - sorry) that battery tech faced huge challenges and I'm thinking that perhaps knowing that, was one of the key drivers in acquiring Gnanomat.

Clearly, a man with a plan.

[bisho4] 01/10/2018 10:19

psx, your enthusiasm is infectious, but I think he means the deal to acquire Gnanomat, not a deal/order for VRS products :)

[ellissj] 01/10/2018 10:16

Yes, i've got a laymens gist of battery tech from that video. I noticed the 'curved graphene reference too' and thought of skelton mob. Reduced Graphene oxide used in the video, so maybe it suggests skekton are using graphene oxide too ? And/or Maybe it's the graphene oxide that produces the curved effect, and not the nature of the graphene itself. Especially, or more so, if many layer graphene oxide ? Either way, using logic, we know the skeltons supercaps, using likely graphene oxide, are efficient enough to win a sales contract with wrights buses. We also know vrs won the CPI tender for graphene oxide. And yet, it seems +nanene is the preferred option re ganano/vrs battery tech push. Therefore, +nanene produced better lab test outcomes. It could be, using +nanene doesn't curve the layers ? And is better again for it? What we can deduce, is that vrs/happy with their collab enough to join together. Aimo. Dyor. Best ellis