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[squire007] 01/10/2018 08:11

Fest u tart ... :-( lol

[ellissj] 01/10/2018 08:09

I would suggest that is correct lovat. Imo, the 'right deal' includes no slice of the pie/buyout, amongst other things. Best ellis

[lovat scout] 01/10/2018 07:57

Ax - thanks for posting full Sunday Telegraph article re ARM and the lost IP. I’m fairly certain VRS and HMG will want to improve on this outcome, which could be a positive reason for slower delivery of China agreements.

[ellissj] 01/10/2018 07:54

And of course faraday funding for batteries can only be claimed by UK based companies, where research is done in the uk, and end result invested in uk. Dyor. Best ellis.

[senden11] 01/10/2018 07:45

rtj, enough of the pompous political jibes, as there are plenty of illicit skeletons in the socialist fraternity cupboard as well. Back to the pertinent topic of VRS continuing to consolidate in the 180s this week. GLALTH!

[superg1] 01/10/2018 07:43

Pc

They simply regurgitate what others claim. So if someone claims they have graphene they accept them as graphene producers.

In most cases it's just a claim with no data sheet.

As supposedly said by Haydale they tested over 200 'graphenes' and only about 5 could be considered graphene.

[ellissj] 01/10/2018 07:36

Just watched utube vid on this tweet from mike brenner, retweeted by neill. Seems this is the breakthrough. If it's gnano's tech in the vid, they appear to use reduced graphine oxide (rgo) in their electrodes. I assume vrs +nanene offers further gains over and beyond rgo which gives vrs/gnano the leading edge here ? Aimo. Dyor. Best ellis

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Can highly recommend watching Clare Grey prof of energy storage at Cambridge uni’s presentation about Graphene and batteries ... from 27 mins to the end gives little clues as to the Graphene functionalisation tech VRS have got via Gnanomat (link: hxxps://youtu.be/tJxXmCA5OlE) youtu.be/tJxXmCA5OlE via

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Key is functionalising Graphene with metal and metal oxides - see the problems that helps solve in super capacitors and anodes + the opp for graphinks in electrode solution"

[tini5] 01/10/2018 07:28

Good find there Mike:

[axotyl] 01/10/2018 07:27

Yesterday's relevant article by Jeremy Warner in the Sunday Torygraph (thanks LS):

ARM's scandalous IP transfer to the emerging Chinese hegemon

Oh how they cheered when in the financial chaos that followed the UK’s vote for Brexit, in came Softbank’s Masayoshi Son, a Far Eastern tech visionary, with a blockbuster £24.3bn bid for ARM, Britain’s premier technology company.

It was a steal for Son, because the collapse in the pound had just knocked 20pc off the price, but it seemed nonetheless to be an unambiguous vote of confidence in post-Brexit Britain. Despite her promise to subject foreign takeovers to greater scrutiny, the Prime Minister, Theresa May, welcomed the bid with open arms, pointing to legally binding commitments Mr Son had given to double the UK workforce and maintain the headquarters in Cambridge.

He did not, on the other hand, give any such guarantees on the company’s crown jewels - its intellectual property. Without fanfare, these were quietly transferred over the summer to ARM’s Chinese offshoot, allowing, by the company’s own admission, “Arm-based semiconductor Intellectual Property (IP) to be tailored for the Chinese domestic ecosystem and making a broader portfolio of technology accessible to Chinese partners for China market needs”.

Just to be clear, this is not China’s customary practice of intellectual property theft, but then why steal the technology when you can buy it instead? Particularly at the price Mr Son has agreed.

Subsequent to the transfer, ARM agreed to sell a majority stake in its Chinese offshoot to local investors for $775.2 million, something of an undervalue, it might reasonably be thought.

We can only speculate on what’s really going on here, but we know of China’s insatiable appetite for Western IP and we also know that as a major investor in Alibaba, China’s version of Amazon, Mr Son’s loyalties are somewhat more tilted to China than they are to the UK.

And I am afraid that this is the way they do business over there. To gain proper access to the Chinese market, Mr Son may have had little option but to surrender control.

Both in the US and in Europe, there is growing concern over cutting edge tech transfer of this sort. China has well aired plans for technological leadership in Artificial Intelligence, autonomous cars, cloud computing, robotics and all other things cutting edge. It has set about pursuing it in characteristically determined fashion, buying up Western tech companies wherever it can, including just recently Britain’s Imagination Technologies.

The EU Commissioner for Trade, Cecilia Malmström, recently launched legal proceedings against China for failing to offer the same degree of protection on foreign owned IP as it does for domestically owned technology. I suppose if we were being charitable about it, it might be argued that the ARM transfer is for the purpose of gaining the same privileges. Now fully Chinese, the IP can be protected more effectively.

But it is a crying shame, nonetheless, deserving of parliamentary inquiry. Notwithstanding the commitments given at the time of the takeover, ARM’s centre of gravity is quickly shifting from the UK to China. Clever Mr Son, silly little Britain, which again seems to be conforming to the old adage of being very good at inventing and developing the technology, but useless at its commercial exploitation.

Kowtowing to China may be something we will have to get used to in the brave new world of “Global Britain”.

[luckyorange] 01/10/2018 07:16

'intellectual jousting' you talking about Alchemy smallfry? I'm sure what he says is very intellectual but I don't understand a word of it !

[smallfry1] 01/10/2018 06:11

Well i tried to stay away but found I was missing all the intellectual jousting.
And of the course the humour,
Unfortunately I missed the opportunity to top up at the recent placing but never mind but of course well done to all those who got in.
Just a thought i've been having that may have been covered before but I am sorry if that is the case.
I'd it a possibility that the government would prefer a delay in China news so that they could fly this paticular flag at the time of Brexit in order to say told you so
We will be fine.
Just a thought

Festario
I am also a darts fan and agree with regards to John Lowe.
I am just awaiting the start of our winter league
Although not sure if team I play for are going in the forest league or other.

John

[1teepee] 01/10/2018 03:33

I https://cdn2.hubspot.net/hubfs/150154/ZAPGO_EIO_11-07-17_FINAL.pdf?t=1535132267431

[festario] 01/10/2018 01:47

Sandbag, sloppy seconds with Diane Abbott made me laugh out loud, and doesn't bear thinking about.Until I realised that I've had worse in my time...Now, kindly, will someone... GET THAT STOCK MARKET OPEN!!

[sandbag] 30/9/2018 23:44

RTJ

"disgraced former minister Liam Fox "

Personally I don't care if he was behind Jeremy Corbyn for sloppy seconds with Dianne Abbott. He has lent two of his rising stars to VRS. Hopefully this will ultimately benefit VRS shareholders and, more importantly, the country.

[pcjoe] 30/9/2018 23:15

On the previous - It must be hard for Neil to appear on the same platform as some of the many Charlatans flogging snake oil at these events...

Very good nature & the patience of a saint

I wouldnt qualify unfortunately

[pcjoe] 30/9/2018 23:10

Its an ongoing battle SG - It may be that Graphite is still being lumped in with Graphene at the very highest level - If Dr Khasha Ghaffarzadeh
( - the Cambridge Uni Phd & the Research Director at IDTechEx doesnt know his Graphene from his Graphite then we still have a bit to go - Never mind getting the ISO out

Neil is visiting the IDtechEx event - Maybe he should seek out Khasha & put him right with a Centre`s clout round the lughole? - if he is indeed ignorant - though his article & table on Graphene commercialisation do seem broadly accurate & true re progress & likely timescales to me - even if his $100 per kg does seem a wee bit out..

Methinks that money & patronage & maybe even National interest is playing as big a role in linking Graphene & Graphite together as the exact Scientific truth?

It is sad, though fairly flattering, that it would appear many of the people on this BB have a better and more rounded knowledge on the subject than most scientific & commercial entities on the planet it would seem - Or are these entities actually almost all just corrupt fraudsters?

The wheat from the chaff will separate completely at some point no doubt - This is real frontier stuff going on

All good fun & very interesting/exciting watching events unfold

[superg1] 30/9/2018 20:58

pc

I’d say they haven’t a clue what they are writing about as they quite clearly accept all graphite producers as graphene producers.

[lovat scout] 30/9/2018 20:57

SG - agreed but as the article says, no point in UK companies creating all the knowhow if you can’t commercialise it fully. I suspect HMG are keen for VRS not to repeat the mistakes ARM and others made.

[superg1] 30/9/2018 20:49

Lovat

China is just down to getting the right deal complicated by a large number interested.

We went from 1 to 24 in about 8 months, then a climb from 24 to 30 plus between July and Sept.

Not long before it goes over 40 imo. All good as if Jinan want control they are under significant pressure.

It’s not just about graphene but the access to other advanced materials and tye connections. Now we have DIT backing and battery tech to throw in.

[craigy] 30/9/2018 20:17

Graphenebot... Material news can see a share suspended until it can be quantified.... One of mine is stuck like that at the mo.... SDX if you are curious... They are about to get a £500m to £1bn oil field from BP but the final value seems uncertain so they are in the doldrums for now...