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[billbyrne] 08/6/2017 19:22

Superg1

That would be nice. :-)

[billbyrne] 08/6/2017 19:20

I remember he had meetings with a delegation from Karamay in China around the middle of February. Wonder if that has anything to do with it.

[superg1] 08/6/2017 19:13

Bill

It must be the 11 million clients looking to get into VRS. That seems the obvious one :-).

Taking their time aren't they.

[luckyorange] 08/6/2017 19:01

Looks like it Bill, China does have a bit of an obstacle to overcome with it's past reputation.

However, like I said in the past I do know someone who lives in Shanghai and has done for some years. They look up to the west now and unless someone has been working over here (Chinese) then they don't have the credibility and respect that Chinese trained individuals have.

The focus over there is now on quality and not stealing IP (in the main) to create an export market. Of course companies need to be careful who they deal with but there are plenty of opportunities that shouldn't be ignored.

If I had the best graphene in the world (probably :-)) I would be looking for licencing deals over there. There are plenty of Chinese students in UOM that could verify VRS product.

[billbyrne] 08/6/2017 16:47

Is Neill trying to tell us something with his two most recent posts. :-)

[luckyorange] 08/6/2017 14:53

Graphene in PEEK strength test

[superg1] 08/6/2017 11:48

So in theory I can buy 2 kgs of high grade graphite for a £10 and true not into about a £100,000 sale of graphene.

Pretty good margins I'd say but you need the know how to convert it.

[superg1] 08/6/2017 11:44

Re they better than vein/liump graphite Lucky.

As I recall many moons ago Sri Lanka was seem as the lead.

Not that it matters with graphene production as the product costs per gram is less than a penny.

As one company has stated you can produce graphene form call as coal is cheaper but with it being under 1 penny.

EG graphite at £3000-£5000 per tonne which is high quality graphite comes out at 0.5p per gram at the top end.

50% yields turn a 1 penny graphite product into something worth £100's .

The source product is not a material factor for graphene but is for the graphite market hence the range in prices form £1000 to £5000 per tonne and higher.

Many made that mistake chasing Stratmin global an their big flake mine.

There are many graphite mines moth-balled around the world. I'm sure VRS have no plans to spend countless millions on a graphite mine there are plenty of graphite suppliers about.

Over a million tonnes per year is produced and used. Few layer graphene hasn't got to anywhere near 100 kgs yet.

[luckyorange] 08/6/2017 11:30

One last point on the graphite mines, yes they are the best out there not disputing that at all, but not needed there are plenty of other options out there.

Why were they able to buy them? Because the previous owners wanted out, there isn't a big market for it. I wonder when Talga will sell them, if they can?

[superg1] 08/6/2017 11:12

Lucky

I think partly because he wouldn't be able to say on one topic for more than about 5 minutes. He just loves experimenting with the next thing which is half the problem with the conversion of converting scientific finds into a business.

Scientists are happy spending million chains get nest thing. Fortunately businesses in the UK are stepping in to focus the need to convert great ideas into a business before some overseas company nicks it.


Billions have been made by foreign countries taking UK ideas and converting them into a business and that's a main reason why the UK government have spent large sums on graphene centres to try and keep the UK as the graphene hub. VRS have taken such tech out of the 2 main UK universities in the graphene sector and are working on converting it into major businesses.

[luckyorange] 08/6/2017 10:59

Robert Murray-Smith tells the truth and he is an ex Director because he said that the product doesn't work :-) , wasn't supposed to do that was he?

People don't like the truth and he backs his statements with experimental research that he posts on Youtube.

Unemployable I would say :-)

[superg1] 08/6/2017 10:59

Doh

I didn't want to look but I'll respond to you Phoenixs

From the news

"There is a perception that next generation anodes are either a long way off or prohibitively expensive, but this work shows this may not be the case."

That's what VRS say the battery sector is a fair way off but they are in collaboration with WMG too.

"These outstanding test results are based on Talga’s bulk GNP’s"

Then it's all about knowing what Talga call GNPs. The clue for those that don't know is the bulk comment.

So here is the presentation that shows what Talga call GNPs which is 10-150 layers of graphene.

So as I said the product they used is many layer graphene which I call nano graphite. As said many and multi-layer are useful for some things but they don't carry the full range of gains of few layer.

There may be a case of a controlled mix of the two and probably is but there isn't too much about on that topic at this time.

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I don't know what the discussion is but the graphene used was 10-150 layers which is easy to produce.

Hopefully Timbo isn't arguing that it's graphene being used IE under 10 layers in that news because that would be incorrect as per Talga's own definitions.

One thing I am picking up in is lateral sizes improving electrics. Professor Ferrari alluded to it, which may explain the many layer option as with many allier the lateral size is typically larger than under 10 layer product.

Got dragged in there but realised straight way for the talk comments it was the many layer bulk product not under 10 layer GNPs.

Just seeking to clear up my comment having no idea what the key point in exchanges with Timbo are other than Talga.

[superg1] 08/6/2017 09:29

Posts crossed Lucky

So it is a Talga subject.

[phoenixs] 08/6/2017 09:29

Timbo, it is not the same and if you knwo your graphene/graphite small differences make a world of difference in performance. You really are a numpty. Go back to your day job.

[superg1] 08/6/2017 09:28

Lucky I find him amusing but he is all over the place which is probably why that company that took him on didn't keep him long.

Timbo you seem to pop up when Talga gets a mention. I filtered you long back and agreed not to post on Haydale, the thread has gone fro me course as that's what happens when you filter the thread creator. No idea what you are saying but have noted the word Talga seems to trigger a post.

IMO it's hype junk.

I looked at AGM early on and switched off due to the excessive hype. When I eventually looked deeper into it the tech doesn't work.

Perhaps Talga will do something but it is strange how they drop on world leads be it a mine or graphene which everyone else seems to miss. mines cosiest 100's of millions generally so it's a long road for Talga and I don't like junior miners.

Anyway, apologies if you post isn't about Talga, but it seems the instant they getmention up you pop. Perhaps you think they are junk too (I agree).

If not feel free to discuss Talga on your thread where anyone interested can view it.

Someone posted Talga comments and I responded.

Anyone as said if its not a Talga post then apologies. I'm just working on the logic of timings of your post.

[luckyorange] 08/6/2017 09:27

Have a look at the post above Timbo, graphite mines are not needed , plenty of other options out there and cheaper! Also read what they have said, it's not Talphene they used .... it's multi layer .

[timbo003] 08/6/2017 09:09

>>>>>Shavian

You ask: "Why is WMG using Talga's graphene when they could have Nanene from just around the corner?"

Could it be because Talga can provide their own graphene (Talphene) which has a very similar spec to Nanene, at a fraction of the cost (Talga estimate they will be able to get the price down to $55/kg)

They can do this as they have their own mines in Sweden which should be capable of producing thousands of tonnes of high quality graphite/annum which requires simple processing to produce their proprietary grade of graphene (Talphene), thus cutting out the middle man (i.e. Versarien in this case)

[luckyorange] 08/6/2017 09:06

Robert Murray-Smith tweets

Have a look at his video of saving the coal industry, he is amazed at the supercapacitor properties , basically using coal it knocks out the need for graphite as far as supercapacitors are concerned.

He makes everything so much fun .... have a look and no b/s here !

[luckyorange] 08/6/2017 08:50

Is it Will Battrick selling I wonder?

Whoever it is , with a little patience they would get more bang for their buck.

[luckyorange] 08/6/2017 08:34

Multi layer is how I understood it Shavian.

I think the problem with Graphene in batteries is not the improvements it makes, which it does, it's the discharge time under load, a lot more work required yet to make a breakthrough I believe.

[superg1] 08/6/2017 08:32

Lucky

Not the conflict. I was just about to say It's graphite that goes in batteries in general. When I say graphite I mean the 100's of layers which some call graphene. O'd have to check.


They talk of the graphite industry average so not versus the best performing.

That said I'm not going to waste my time as I have Talga are serious BS merchants and they are the ones that have refused to answer simple question in writing, they want to chat.

Even though I have said verbal comms can be denied which is the whole point of clarification on claims made with no data to back it up on the points I raised.

I'm not looking into them. I have them as a desperate small cap miner with large sums needed to develop mines.

Just read their news, world lead this (mines), will be biggest graphene producer (which includes the 100's of layers stuff) $700 billion market and so on.

Typical small cap major hype.

BTW someone as yet unnamed at the NGI/OUM told the CEO that he has the best graphene in the world (CEO video).

Try and find who it was, it isn't easy and he won't say. Lol. Silly old me thinks he is making it up as do a few others NGI/UOM connected.

I have said just say who it is as confirm it own news, get the guy to quote it for you in news, it's a major breakthrough etc. Investors need to be aware.

Back to my tumbleweed video.

No sour grapes there are dozens of graphene companies all claiming to be the world lead
with the first mover dud XG sciences still making that claim.

Multi-layer does not work for the full range of performance gains hence that's why VRS call their multi-layer waste for now. They are concentrating on the full range of gains with Nanene. Multi-layer can help with thermal, electrical and water resistance.

I think Talga is a dud, we'll see as time goes on.

[shavian] 08/6/2017 08:11

Why is WMG using Talga's graphene when they could have Nanene from just around the corner?

[luckyorange] 08/6/2017 07:53

Marvellous :-), not particularly Talga but I don't believe a significant improvement is available yet it will take a quantum leap!

• Outstanding performance of Talga graphene in initial Lithium-ion

battery tests. Results include:

‣ Excellent battery capacity (energy storage) exceeding that of

graphite industry average by ~27%;

‣ Low capacity losses (reversible capacity >99.5%); and

‣ High stability (coulombic efficiency 99.9%).

• Talga graphene source material was not subject to costly milling,

shaping or coating steps of typical graphite anode manufacturers

• Results achieved using Talga’s bulk graphene nanoplatelets

(GNP), rather than Talga’s few layered graphene materials (FLG) –

raises potential to compete at today’s anode market cost structure

• Partnerships to develop material for European and Asian Li-ion

battery end users being assessed

Technology minerals company, Talga Resources Ltd (“Talga” or “the

Company”), is pleased to provide an update on initial benchmark testing

of it’s graphene in Lithium-ion (“Li-ion”) batteries manufactured at the

Warwick Manufacturing Group’s (“WMG”) Energy Innovation Centre,

University of Warwick UK.

Following successful tests of the Company’s micrographite product

(ASX:TLG 10th Oct 2016), Talga announced its intention to move towards

testing its graphene nanoplatelets (“GNP”) as the active material of Li-ion

battery anodes (Fig 1).

[luckyorange] 07/6/2017 19:13

'Technologists have successfully integrated graphene together with quantum dots into CMOS technology. This has led to the created of an array of photodetectors, and the creation of a high resolution image sensor.
Silicon based CMOS (Complementary metal-oxide semiconductors) technology are at the basis of many of the electronic devices we widely use today, such as computers, smartphones and digital cameras. To move to a new generation of advanced electronics, most researchers are of the view of the need to integrate CMOS with other semiconductors. As part of this process, technologists from the Institute of Photonic Sciences in Barcelona have successfully integrated graphene into a CMOS integrated circuit.
With the process graphene is deposited onto a surface, then patterned to create the necessary pixel shape. At the end of the process a layer of PbS colloidal quantum dots are added. Quantum dots are very tiny semiconductor particles, only several nanometres in size. They are so small that their optical and electronic properties differ from those of larger particles.
This circuit has led to the development of a high resolution image sensor. When the sensor is used as a digital camera it allows the camera to sense ultraviolet, visible and infrared light at the same time. This essentially allows the camera to 'see' most of what is invisible to the human eye, including in situations of near-complete darkness.
Graphene is a single atom thick layer of a from of carbon. The material is transparent, at least as strong as steel, and it possess many remarkable properties, such as being highly conductive of electricity. The many applications of graphene have been widely covered by Digital Journal.
READ MORE: Graphene helps to make nuclear industry ‘greener’
Other applications of the new sensor include microelectronics, sensor arrays and low-power photonics. Each of the developments could lead to a new generation of smartphone cameras, fire control systems, enhanced night vision and surveillance cameras.
The research has been published in the journal Nature Photonics, under the title "Broadband image sensor array based on graphene–CMOS integration."


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