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[superg1] 25/5/2017 10:31

I have not in 30 years met anyone that is as passionate as me when I go after something in the career I was in. The gain over those 30 years was satisfaction. I had no need to put myself under so much pressure at all, there was no monetary gain.


In fact what I would take on willingly was at times severely detrimental for me and my family such was the nature of the 'tasks' involved. So often it was matters that others were just too lazy or too scared to take on.

I the found passion to dig in elsewhere to carry on with what I enjoy is not something I can avoid iris just a trait. I'll just have to keep going and in this case it's the graphene market and companies involved.

My posting on here will slow down and in any case it seems pointless feeding haphazard gamblers which it seems is what most are on ADVFN.

So my drive will now rise considerably, will be far more objective and will if I have my way be very beneficial for VRS true investors.

The quieter I go on here the harder I am working in the background and I know how to work hard, I love hard work.

I won't be engaging with the ones that just try it on with various false bits and I can't be bothered with explaining it over and over again to those that can't be bothered to read the links, papers and data sheets. I have many filtered and have no interest at all in what they say.

I care about what other companies are doing and saying in the sector, even when I'm not invested in companies . Lesotho various diamond mines is an example as PRG followers will know all too well.

Now for me here on in it's all graphene and the graphene companies. I will share my findings behind the scenes be it to interested parties or reports to regulators with allegations of fraud.

The process for that started and I need to get on with the completion of evidential files, research and promising prospects be it end users or companies involved. Posting on matters that have been shared many times where contributors are simply too lazy to read is pointless.

So time for me to crack on with less posting as time goes on. Converting all the knowledge gained into something material and beneficial to investors and genuine companies in the sector.

DYOR

[superg1] 25/5/2017 09:59

I comment on these points as I have read the links and various scientific papers and try to understand the good and bad that could have on the industry.

Over and over gain people post having never bothered to read and understand what was spoon feed for them.

Even when I post listing the details and explaining they whinge and moan about the length of the posts and can't be bothered to read them.

Hence I say very few on here are true investors, just share price chasers who want short term news to cash in on a trade.

Hence as I said my momentum is shifting to working behind the scenes in various forms which may include undermining various companies out there but not on public BBs but where it really hurts and could finish their business.

If Burger king shuts near a Macdonalds naturally the sales go up for Macdonalds. If as a competitor you can show Burger King had been selling you horse burgers it doesn't just shoot one it may shut a few more and open up a whole new range of customers.

In the case of graphene the customers are freely advertised and they many are being sold horse meat advertised as pedigree beef.

I am not speculating re my last few posts BTW. Take on board what I have said.

[superg1] 25/5/2017 09:50

I hope that explains some of it.

The vast majority simply don't understand graphene and clearly many invested are a million miles off understanding it.

I'm 3 years in and in the last month or two I'd put myself about 300% more clued up than 2.75 years in with a lot more to learn.

I had the opportunity to sit down with representatives from very large company, one was an engineer. They use all sorts of composites including in Aerospace.

They wanted to talk graphene.

They had absolutely no idea other than what you might hear on the BBC website. I could have told them anything and they wouldn't have been able to challenge it. The vast majority of end users have no idea what GNPs are, what they do, why they work and which one's will or won't work.

They couldn't stand up for more than about 30 seconds and talk about graphene.

That's the situation you can feed many including these big companies lies and BS they have no idea.

With established sectors its easy to spot BS. In the graphed sector its a free for all and some work hard to deceive victims to cash in.

[superg1] 25/5/2017 09:43

That sales pitch.

So you have your own data. And typically in business you are looking to make your product more attractive than the existing supplier.

It is all so easy to say our product is better than theirs.

But what if you can prove it as you have the verifiable data. I'd happily speak to all companies and say DO NOT BUY multi-layer GNPs with a view to strengthening composites. The data is out there to show it doesn't work and in some cases which company supplied it.

It would save the customer wasted expense of buying the product, and the expense of the R and D trailing graphene.

The supplier would BS them and call it graphene. The user would then find it destroys the strength of it and they will think graphene is just false hype and no doubt would say that to others.

They would then form the opinion that graphene doesn't work and scoff at competitors trying to use it and use their data to customers to show it doesn't work, not to waste their money and to stick with them.

[superg1] 25/5/2017 09:36

The plus side which is what you mention.

I have built up a database of what others have form lateral size purity defect ratios etc etc but I can find lilt data or verifiable data form the companies themselves.

The data I have found in Universities testing the GNPs and in every case os far its poor results. XG in particular.

So the plus for VRS for all the rubbish out there is this.

Such companies have been teeing up end users with interest in graphene so there is a long list of companies that have taken an interest in graphene. I heavily suspect that is why VRS are getting cold called by some big names as VRS have shown Nanene works.

As I saw some of the NDA list at Cambridge and had already worked out others I know the companies have been let down having been supplied junk. Those names with VRS in some cases are the names I have seen in various PDFs and company news worldwide.

So for the junk graphene producers the good they have done for someone like VRS is to identify end users that have already engaged.

In the business world if you can supply something that works or cheaper, better, opens up new markets and so on then.

So there is an opportunity to engage those names who are easily identifiable and give them the reassurance of am NGI certified product and NGI certified that it works.

It's a great sales pitch to have in your armoury.

[superg1] 25/5/2017 09:27

Rid

re the tenor of debate here is increasingly focussed on why every other company involved in Graphene is rubbish and making false claims, while VRS have exceptionally exciting prospects. If true, this should produce unprecedented sales opportunities for VRS.

For me it's the frustration of PIs being mugged initially but there are factors which are highly damaging from those companies but equally potentially lucrative for those companies with something genuine.

EG I can absolutely prove that some have released false news.

The hype around graphene has been high but the multi-layer suppliers have left end users disappointed as graphene in their eyes does not work in many aspects.

So we now have some hype companies about jumping on the back of big claims about graphene, with no public data about performance. Some have been running years and we have already exposed XG and that is going on elsewhere.

So you can make big claims about what it can do and supply evaluation sized product which may or may not work.

Then if you are smart as a public lifestyle company you pick products way into the future which buys you years of evaluation samples without having to go bulk and keep the spin going.

[luckyorange] 25/5/2017 09:27

Nothing about sales with the other companies ridicule. I would guess that there are a lot of small sales/samples being sent out.

No news for a while seems to unsettle people but the other side of that is they are probably concentrating on building the company?

I suppose something could drop at any moment once all of the enquiries have done their DD and tested the product to see if it meets their needs.

[ridicule] 25/5/2017 08:49

I know this is sounding like an old record from me, but I am becoming increasingly concerned that the tenor of debate here is increasingly focussed on why every other company involved in Graphene is rubbish and making false claims, while VRS have exceptionally exciting prospects. If true, this should produce unprecedented sales opportunities for VRS. The last hard sales news w.r.t Graphene that we have had from VRS was in December 2016. Conversely, there have been a number of announcements from other companies; Haydale AGM and others, including some in China.

I fully accept that Neil is rightly conservative when it comes to hype, but we need news of hard VRS graphene sales yesterday.

[luckyorange] 24/5/2017 21:59

Tungsten, helium, indium and more. Secrets of the superelements.

Really interesting programme , worth watching



No graphene :-)

[luckyorange] 24/5/2017 20:22

Just a reminder of what they wrote, it is just an opinion based on their research but , the pace of graphene in their opinion is expected to more or less track the growth of CNT's in the past. Whether or not that will be the case I have no idea but in some ways I suspect it will move faster due to market saturation of current products.... we will see!

However, they do say and I agree (for what it's worth) that ink is on the move and on the radar of various companies (could be the reason for one company throwing out an RNS today on an ink collaboration?)

I do hope the UK drives it and not China.



The graphene market to reach over 3,800 tonnes per year in 2027 IDTechEx Research projects that the graphene market will grow to over $300m in 2027. This forecast is at the material level and does not count the value of graphene-enabled products. In many instances graphene is only an additive with low wt% value s. A continual decline in average sales prices will accompany the revenue growth, meaning that volume sales will reach over 3.8 k tpa (tonnes per annum) in 2027. Despite this, IDTechEx forecasts suggest that the industry will remain in a state of over-capacity until 2021 beyond which time new capacity will need to be installed. Furthermore, IDTechEx Research forecasts that some 90% of the market value will go to graphene platelets (vs. sheets) in 2027. The market will be segmented across many applications, reflecting the diverse properties of graphene. In general, we expect functional inks and coatings to reach the market earlier. This is a trend that we forecasted several years ago and is now observed in prototypes and small-volume applications. Indeed, IDTechEx Research projects that the market for functional inks and coatings will make up 21% of the market by 2018. Ultimately however, energy storage and composites will grow to be the largest sectors, controlling 25% and 40% of the market in 2027, respectively.

[superg1] 24/5/2017 20:06

The difficult questions to answer in an email include

Do you have product for sale where the data sheets can be viewed?

Are there any any independent reports to show your graphene works in products?

I've tried one more time with some simple questions on claims made.

Place your bets, all questions answered with the evidence, or give us a call/some other excuse.

[superg1] 24/5/2017 15:53

Ha

I hit one company with repeat questions saying I don't accept conversations as they can be denied (not uk)

Wouldn't answer questions again. They are simple questions on claims made.

So having stated I don't want to chat asking for a written response they have asked me to call for the answers to be given verbally.

So lying bunch of toerags once again re claims.

[phoenixs] 24/5/2017 14:25

Isn't tomorrow a day at Cambridge Graphene Centre?

[luckyorange] 24/5/2017 10:38

Not much volume on AGM so the directors have got nothing to sell into, would be nice if PI's see the light on that one!

[superg1] 24/5/2017 08:52

Watch this space I just had to delete my rant.

I tried behind the scenes to talk some into exiting PRG. They didn't due to PMs ultra BS, thus I couldn't take behind the scenes actions.

I even got requests from some asking me not to post negatively due to their position.

As I said recently I've given up on the rant route. I have huge experience in what I'm doing and I never ever give up.

Correction, I never ever give up (unless my wife tells me too) :-).

[rogerbridge] 24/5/2017 08:48

Always a good ploy to announce a JV or heads of agreement when you are showing a large loss.

[phoenixs] 24/5/2017 08:39

46trader, I would never put money into that garbage. Full of .... When they independently prove their tech then come back and talk about it.

[redchef] 24/5/2017 08:10

Graphene got a mention on R5 this morning. Tony Walsh, the poet who wrote the trending poem 'This is the place', being interviewed about the Manchester's resilience, entrepreneurship and leadership in science mentioned the revolution brought about by the invention of computers and in the same breath the revolution to come with Graphene which will be comparable to the impact made by Silicon.

[superg1] 24/5/2017 08:03

46

You mentioned them not me. I've been talking myself out of immediate action on that news for the greater good of the bigger picture.

That tech is way off.

Intent

Look at the loss and comment about cash position.

It's exactly as it should be and expected to be.

That's as much as I want to say right now.

Fest think CS and PRG efforts. That was a gift for me.

[46trader] 24/5/2017 07:58

We need to get our skates on and start doing some deals otherwise we will miss the boat....

pplied Graphene Materials PLC

24 May 2017

This announcement contains inside information for the purposes of Article 7 of EU Regulation 596/2014.

Applied Graphene Materials plc

("Applied Graphene Materials", "AGM" or "the Group")

New Proprietary Graphene Delivery Technology

and Trading Update

Applied Graphene Materials, the producer of specialty graphene materials, is pleased to provide information about its new, proprietary technology, Structural Ink(TM) , which enables the highly targeted delivery of graphene to composites, together with a trading update.

Significant progress has been made in Applied Graphene Material's core target market segments of composites and coatings, including new intellectual property.

Structural Ink(TM)

Applied Graphene Materials has registered a patent having developed a highly innovative, new technology, Structural Ink(TM) , that once fully commercialised will be targeted at the advanced composites industry.

Structural Ink(TM) comprises the deposition of graphene nanoplatelets directly onto composite laminates in a controlled and targeted manner. By adopting Structural Ink(TM) technology, end users will have the ability to increase mechanical toughness, which can be derived through the addition of graphene. Application to specific areas will enable the optimisation of the performance and structural design of composite materials. Ultimately this will improve component integrity and performance, enable further weight reduction and also reduce total manufacturing costs.

Applied Graphene Materials has signed heads of terms for a Joint Development Agreement (JDA) with the University of Sheffield Advanced Manufacturing Research Centre with Boeing (AMRC). This JDA will focus on the development and commercial exploitation of Structural Ink(TM) technology, through collaboration projects with AMRC's industry partners. At an early phase in the development cycle, AGM plans to locate a technology demonstration cell within the AMRC's Composites Centre.

Richard Scaife, the AMRC Composites Centre Manager, said: "Over the last 24 months, our research staff and engineers have been collaborating with Applied Graphene Materials on its Structural Ink(TM) technology development and we are delighted that we are now able to progress to a formal, long term agreement. While this technology is still relatively immature in aerospace terms, we believe it highlights significant potential for performance improvements with both weight and cost savings to those designing critical composite structures. In the near future we will be sharing information on this technology with our aerospace partners, but also see the potential for early adoption with partners operating in less safety critical industrial sectors."

Although at an early phase of its development cycle, four specialist end-users from different sectors of the composites industry have committed to explore Structural Ink(TM) . These include Prodrive Composites Limited ("Prodrive"), which has signed heads of terms for a Joint Development Agreement with Applied Graphene Materials to focus on the development towards near term applications. Prodrive works in the high-end automotive, motorsport, aerospace and leisure goods sectors, designing and producing lightweight, high performance composite structures.

John McQuilliam, Chief Engineer of Prodrive Composites commented "We have investigated the potential for graphene within Prodrive's business and identified several application areas for development and ideally early adoption. We feel confident that Applied Graphene Materials represents a strong partner for Prodrive, having an approach to development that is both innovative, yet realistic. We understand that some features of their graphene technology are quite unique, but are also reassured that adoption into other commercial composite applications has already been proven."

Trading Update

The Group has continued to make good progress during the year. Taking the latest forecast into consideration our expectation is that LBITDA* for the year ending 31(st) July 2017 will be in line with earlier estimates at a loss of GBP(4.0m) based on revenues for the current year of GBP0.3m. Cash is expected to be significantly ahead of expectation at GBP4.5m.

Jon Mabbitt, Chief Executive Officer of Applied Graphene Materials, said:

"We are very excited about the opportunity that Structural Ink(TM) opens up for AGM and our customers. Whilst we continue to collaborate with customers on developing tailored graphene dispersions for a range of applications, this printing technology offers AGM another route to market and a tried and tested product offer that we believe will be very compelling for composites end users.

It is pleasing that we are being recognized as a highly supportive and competent development partner for industrial graphene applications. The foundations we have laid over the last 3 years are really starting to bear fruit. We have consistently focused on the core markets where we know we can deliver significant enhancements for large-scale industries and our collaborations across these areas continue to build momentum."

[superg1] 24/5/2017 07:29

What a gift of evidence of deceit that is. The nomad must be bent and that supports it.

Sadly exactly what I have to keep quiet on. :-)

Clandestine op mode.

[superg1] 24/5/2017 07:17

re one

£@5^ ^%43&567 lying hype BS merchants. More fuel to the fire.

[superg1] 24/5/2017 07:07

Nice to find some fellow researchers (US) with a view of looking at the facts and spotting the fiction

"Let's keep my observations on ???? separate from your findings. I can already say with some certainty they are garbage."

I'm keen to crack on look at the relevant company to see if our findings cross.

It may seem pointless to some but in the graphene world of deceit the more things you can find to at times unequivocally support your claims then it makes the space less crowded and complicated.

Knowledge is power they say but you have to make sure the knowledge gained is thoroughly checked to ensure you have enough certainty behind it. Then the confidence to make the claim is higher and the chance of someone catching you out is reduced significantly. In fact it tends to be the other way around and is highly likely to be that way in this sector.