Versarien Share Discussion Threads

[john henry] 01/6/2017 11:22

Versarien PLC Graphene enhanced PAEK Thermoplastics Agreement.

Had hoped we would have progressed a little further than we have with this agreement.

[phoenixs] 01/6/2017 11:21

Johnhenry, VRS has a large element of jam tomorrow but it is also an existing business which they expect to be at least break even by the end of the year. I would say that your choice of words "slaughtered" are way over the top. The cash burn has been minimal especially when compared to other AIM stocks in the same sector. Just take a look at the market cap of other graphene related stocks and check their cash burn, losses and orders which are basically non existent and check their market cap.
The share price may pull back but I would not want to be out of this stock. News could come any time and then it will be a case of what price you will have to pay to get in. As I see it the downside is very limited.

[john henry] 01/6/2017 10:55

Pheonix VRS is still a Jam tomorrow stock that will get slaughtered on any mkt pullback. still lacking in fundamentals to support the MKT cap. Hype needs to be backed up with orders.

[john henry] 01/6/2017 10:53

stale bull throwing in the towel.

[phoenixs] 01/6/2017 10:37

festario,
there are some people who treat buying and selling shares as though they are in a Casino. Expecting immediate returns, take money off the table or no immediate returns; take the stake and move to another game or lose a bit of money; don't like the feel and move to another game or finally lose a lot of money and leave the casino.
VRS are here for now, the medium and the long term.

Graphene is here to stay and is one of the most exciting industrial developments in a generation. I have even heard some saying a new industrial revolution.
If one believes in graphene then I believe that VRS are one of the best, if not the best company out there to take advantage of this great technology.
Patience will be rewarded and if the price comes a little lower, I will take advantage of it.

[festario] 01/6/2017 10:12

Hmm, selling only again this morning.Lots of small blocks worth about £2.5k each time.

[superg1] 01/6/2017 08:28

A bit more re the desired UK battery hub

[superg1] 01/6/2017 08:25

Just a point re nutty PIs, they go mad for battery tech but it's not that obvious thst VRS are involved with Warwick and batteries.

The button batteries at Cambridge were graphene silicon batteries.

I'll dig re those some time.

[superg1] 01/6/2017 08:07

The KLF

You mentioned Sony very recently in a post and VRS talking to them as an example.

Do you know something?

[superg1] 01/6/2017 08:00

First Samsung and now Sony. Samsung in particular have a lot of interest in graphene well documented in recent years and were an early backer for XG sciences as in the attempted IPO document found and various XG news.

[billbyrne] 01/6/2017 07:56

Looks like Neill is being kept busy, this time a meeting with Sony.

[superg1] 01/6/2017 07:49

Fest

On the chart jobs

Due to the run VRS for chart folk was overbought.

Some indicators I know they use are RSI, Williams%R and MacD.

Williams %R

"The Williams %R oscillates from 0 to -100. When the indicator produces readings from 0 to -20, this indicates overbought market conditions. When readings are -80 to -100, it indicates oversold market conditions."

VRS currently sits on -78 having hit -90 to -100 bang on when Vox said the bottom was 19p

It was on -10 on the high. So in that indicator for chart folk it was overbought and went down to oversold territory which is where it lurks now.

RSI

"RSI is considered overbought when above 70 and oversold when below 30."

On the high it hit 80 and now sits at 42

MACD

That's above moving averages and lines crossing etc but it has a zero line. Above the lune is positive, below is negative.

On MACD VRS was above zero from early Feb to mid May. That indicator is at it's lowest point in hit pre the rise is February.

So overall for the chart guys VRS is now in oversold territory, that's why retraces are needed and happen. It can't forever just keep pushing on in overbought, the longer a share keeps rising without consolidation the bigger the fall generally.

I did note a little buying yesterday which wasn't like the recent norm so did wonder if it was chart guys/traders starting to pick of a few.

Any good news and the Macd lines should cross positively if volume and share price action appears as they are close together.


The good news if you can call it that is over the lull it's moved from overbought to oversold so is attractive to chart guys. Often they wait for prices to be broken as posted by one. That guy said he was looking for 23p to be broken as a buy signal.

[skylite] 31/5/2017 20:10

Balls Grinding and Thumb Screws Sg? In Cheltenham Spa? I knew there was a dark undercurrent in this town.

[superg1] 31/5/2017 17:07

Well the chart guys look for the 50% retrace as they said. I haven't looked at where it sits in the overbought stakes it will have been high but has probably retraced well on that Macd and Williams jobby they look at.

The first target of some is some way off yet in numbers terms but who knows what will pop up.

If they get some JVs with the big names then it will start to move quickly Imo, then potentially some follow up or new orders could do the same. Unfortunately the sector was misled by that private US company XG sciences who I had as viable until I stared finding all the documents and doing other research. That's the damage toerags do to others but in the end cream floats to the top.

I look at another near double the market cap and I know they have nothing currently but a great big headache for investors once the full picture appears. I'm doing my best with thumbscrews behind the scenes to force the hand of those involved. Just started though with some quite specific comments to those it will potentially hurt most. It won't stop there the thumbscrews will just keep turning as best I can twist them.

[festario] 31/5/2017 15:47

SuperG, I'd consider it a personal favour if VRS would just release a teensy bit of actual news to encourage shareholders.Just enough to lift me out of the red.This -29% figure in my portfolio against VRS looks a bit ugly.

[superg1] 31/5/2017 15:43

No idea but I smile each time re the one next door called "Balls grinding"

[skylite] 31/5/2017 13:34

Do they do anything with Spirex Sarco Super? Big FTSE 250 engineering company right next door. I think they work in steam management processes Heat? Thermal conduction? Copper foam?

[superg1] 31/5/2017 12:08

Lucky exactly so I tough the answer was simple,. A man BTW.

Then followed by this

The Spanish group who created and distribute these products in 40 counties around the world are very sensitive in terms of revealing details, given the hugely competitive environment surrounding graphene research

Yeah aren't they all and generally the one's that have something to hide so they can exploit the graphene hype while standards don't exist.

The strap line is the eco part.

What's in it then

"Don't know"

I should reply saying ok can you get a tin and tell me what it says on the back of it.

Of course they don't have a tin it will be drop-ship type selling.

Not a snipe at the paint just at sales folk.

[shavian] 31/5/2017 11:59

Thanks for the thermal explanation SG. Got it!

[luckyorange] 31/5/2017 11:55

Says it all on the tin I expect! Was it a man or woman you spoke to?

[superg1] 31/5/2017 11:49

UK distributor/sales response to the graphene paint questions including how much graphene is in it.

in short "No idea" is the answer to all questions.

Great sales pitch don't you think to a prospective customer. :-)

[superg1] 31/5/2017 09:28

Shavian

I know the answer to that one but not this one.

How is the paint white? Hence my suggestion of very low loadings.

VRS gave out a sample of a white polymer and another with .5% or .1% loadings, I forget which but it turned the polymer black. Hence the line of any colour you like as long as it's black.

To answer the thermal it would be because of the lateral transfer of heat. EG the surface below would be less thermally conductive so the heat would dissipate along the coating and back into the room. Although one could argue that at some point no matter what the whole coating will reach the temperature of the room at some point but quicker with that meaning the that will dissipate just as normal.

Thermal is affected by the loading level and type of GNPs. It must be very low loadings to be white and therefore not that effective.

Surely if the gain is that good the key is to put a highly loaded paint as a base coat which would be black, then the top coat of the white version.

Carbon e paint which could create radiators with graphene is black. So I take that paint as a bit of gimmick to help promote the limestone paint.

Video re the radiator paint which would be great if that turns out to be viable.

[shavian] 31/5/2017 08:54

Pardon me for being stupid, but I would have thought that the thermal conductivity of graphene would increase rather than reduce the passage of heat through the paint layer from the interior of the building to the great outdoors? I get the potential advantage about the thin-ness of the paint increasing its coverage and thus potentially reducing cost, but surely this is more than cancelled out by the cost of the added graphene? Doh!