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[club sandwich] 13/7/2018 09:21

anotherdrink - well fingers crossed. Assuming at least one of the larger collabs work out I reckon it's a given. Maybe by end of this year if we're lucky (China or collab) - certainly by end of next year I'd have thought unless something goes badly wrong. If something goes badly right we *could* have China, ISO cert AND several orders from collab deals by H2/end of next year and the share price could be multiples of the figure you mention...

[superg1] 13/7/2018 09:00

1teepee

I havnet looked for a while but Thomas swan is a good example of that. Premium electrical and materials grade. To get to under 10 layer they destroyed the lateral size and had more defects. I

You will see as levels go up so do the lateral sizes.

I've tried to track down data sheets for various companies and in most cases they don't exist. I tried some nice emails to Directa plus when I guided to the tech officer to get data sheets which they suggest they offer but biting came back. I third about 5 other different email addresses and still nothing.

If you take Directa (AIM) most of not all of that they do won't hit the ISO standard at which point they may become a graphite producer. Certainly much of what they do calling it graphene, isn't graphene so investors there will get a shock. Nomad liable imo.


Some cheat by using nm as 1 layer. EG they will say 10 layer when in fact it's 10 nm which is 30 layers.

In some science papers actual checks show claims are way off the actual. EG in 1 science paper XG 24 layer came out around 50 plus and so on.

People must remember many are companies whose survival relies on talking BS to get funding and pay their salaries.

That's why VRS have gone the verification route as we have seen with Nanene as are well aware of the total BS out there. BS will get you through some funding stages but won't make a business.

[woodpeckers] 13/7/2018 08:53

super - "There is the basic point that we know revenue will be materially up YOY so that will be a headline."

A headline that could get overlooked amongst comparatively more exciting news...

As you say, we KNOW there is lots in the pipeline, all just a matter of time. Patience here will pay off and hard as it may be at times I think most holders now are aware of that.

[johnveals] 13/7/2018 08:48

Re IP and keeping the recipe of the ionic fluid secret I would have thought that it wouldn't be beyond the Chinese to reverse engineer a sample and if we are going to be making Nanene in the quantities predicted there is going to have to be an awful lot of it swilling around so obtaining a sample shouldn't be difficult. Which probably means why the licensing / royalty agreements are so important. I am sure we will have some fine minds working on this problem to provide the best protection possible.

[20pc] 13/7/2018 08:32

Thanks superg

[20pc] 13/7/2018 08:21

Ellid continentsl and adidss have a collab. I read somewhere that conti rubber was too grippy. I feel sure that naninie in the tyres will end up in adidas soles. I will dig out the interview when i get back in.

[superg1] 13/7/2018 08:21

I teepee

The rule of thumb on laterals getting bigger normally means flake thickness increasing.

Simply down to the breaking up of the platelet as they are worked on. Too big on the laterals isn't good for strength as they fold and crumple (source science papers).

There will be a myriad of different uses for different types of GNPs. Few layer and the right aspect ratios happen to hit a large number of uses.

EG many and Multi-layer is good for thermal enhancement but detrimental on strength due to the introduction of billions of weak points via the bonding between layers.

[anotherdrink] 13/7/2018 08:20

'Another red day coming up.' - but surely the greater probability of a far bluer year

[woodpeckers] 13/7/2018 08:19

Turbo post 20721 - Now why couldn't I have said it like that! :-)

[anotherdrink] 13/7/2018 08:16

CS: 'that's a very precise amount? ;-)That's a MC of about £600m. A good China deal or one big order from a collab partner could do that (depending on the exact terms, of course)...' - thats exactly what I'm thinking and hoping for. I don't have a SIPP provision myself - already rueing not putting my foot down at 13p with the 'it's too much of a gamble' missus - now she says its easy in hindsight for me to say we should have done it - just wish I'd have manned up - at least with VRS. Of course I'll keep doing the washing up and ironing.........

[1teepee] 13/7/2018 08:16

There is that Australian company now that make flakes 6 time wider but I can not find info regarding the layers

[runthejoules] 13/7/2018 08:16

Bought some £SCH for my old Mum this morning, sorry O/T, waiting for a couple more pence off the price here as it looks like we may fill the gap to previous 119p highs, and for a bit more money to come in, then will add more. Still holding all the c.85k I coulda woulda shoulda topsliced at 140+p, and the ones I bought at 138p... glalth and looking forward to my robot finally arriving!

[superg1] 13/7/2018 08:08

Twitter question

Something like heard about top 3 graphene producers in UK.

I hope it's not an investor that reads here. At a guess I'd say he 'heard' AGM tonne claims Cambridge Nano and Thomas Swann. All of which have been covered in great detail. There are others.

Just a reminder they could all apply for the CPI tenders and VRS won all they applied for. The tenders had specifications of what the 2D materials should be like re layer levels and lateral sizes plus other aspects.

I did post at the time that it seems VRS were the only ones that could meet the spec.

[rainbow23] 13/7/2018 08:06

Another red day coming up.

[1teepee] 13/7/2018 08:05

They keep the ionic fluid recipe they use secret

[superg1] 13/7/2018 08:04

will

Already asked that one and quite impressive, not for this site though.

[andymoore07] 13/7/2018 08:02

Also don't forget a while back NR tweeted a photo of his favourite McLaren, coincidence ?!

[willoicc] 13/7/2018 08:00

When we install machines in China, how do we stop them 'stealing' the IP?

[ellissj] 13/7/2018 07:50

Thx superg. No wonder firms come to us ! Best ellis

[tini5] 13/7/2018 07:44

Article that Cambridge Graphene tweeted:

Indian scientists find faster way to fabricate flexible micro-supercapacitors

[superg1] 13/7/2018 07:44

Eliss

It was in a presentation by Andrew D.

[ellissj] 13/7/2018 07:34

If that upto X 2 gain in wear/strength tyre performance versus conventional is correct, is there is a basic read across re rubber soles on trainers to indicate possible gains in footwear too ? Ie graphine oxide used in inov-8 trainer gives 50% gain over nearest competitor. Could +nanene give 150-200% improvement if used in trainers ? And if so, it shows the efficacy of VRS +nanene in real world 3D products ? Aimo. Best ellis.