Powerhouse Energy Share Discussion Threads

[nobbygnome] 05/10/2018 09:03

>> spawny

I understand where you are coming from but I am not sure you can compare the 2 companies because they are completely different. Certainly I am no engineering expert so in no position personally to really analyse the PHE technology. I just look at the situation and come to the conclusion that the company is undervalued assuming there really is some validity to the technology.

And we should find out soon so there should be short term upside....

Nobby

[vatnabrekk] 05/10/2018 08:51

Bear in mind that the process is actually working in the prototype at Thornton Park, where it is gasifying tyre crumb to produce syngas which is then used as a fuel to generate electricity for the Thornton Park private grid.

So admittedly that is not on a commercial scale but surely it does show that the technology works.

PS: It is important to distinguish between incineration and gasification.

[spawny100] 05/10/2018 07:57

Nobby - any comment on 7706 please?

[nobbygnome] 05/10/2018 07:44

They do not 'burn' anything......apart from the carbon monoxide and methane generated in the process which can be burnt to generate electricity.

My understanding from his presentation was that it was a completely independent validation.

[supernumerary] 05/10/2018 01:47

No 'approval' in the offing here, surely? I thought there was just an 'independent' (ie bought and paid for by PHE) review, of which edited highlights would be released?

I further assumed these carefully selected extracts would be used by Keefy to support another fund raise - there was some fancy footwork around the going concern statement in the results that won't suffice for long.

Is anybody seriously expecting a truly impartial review that will be released in its entirety? No, I thought not ;¬)

spawny - fundamentally, they burn carefully selected inputs to produce syngas plus some undefined solid waste.

I don't believe that starting the fire can require a great energy input, nor does maintaining it - it really ought to produce excess energy if it's burning at 1000C+. The heat from this combustion should be sufficient to power a turbine which produces electricity: this sustains the plant - keeps the lights on so to speak - but all conventional bought-in technology. At least that's how all the other high temperature gasifiers that I've seen work.

The syngas may then be further processed, again using bought-in standard technology, to produce hydrogen and potentially a range of other outputs. This all requires electricity, but this ought to generated by the combustion heat.

The only bit of this that's unique to PHE is the burning. What's unique about it has never been disclosed - there are other high temperature plasma processes already in production - so I suppose investors are hoping that the 'independent' reporter will make it clear what PHE can do that nobody else can.

After nearly a decade of trying and failing to produce economically viable energy from waste, it's amazing to me that anyone thinks they've finally cracked it without, so far, the slightest solid evidence. But I suppose dreams are the lifeblood of AIM penny shares...

[cmackay] 05/10/2018 00:09

I wouldn't have thought so. Big players would want it proved up before they became interested. That hasn't been done here, not to a commercial extent.

[gimmethefax] 04/10/2018 21:44

@Spawny100...
My thoughts mirror yours exactly. I guess we just have to wait and find out. It would be nice to see real scientific papers but imagine these are kept secret for obvious reasons.

It does seem extremely energy intensive heating at 1000C.

Not doubting them in anyway just slightly skeptical without the science. Still hopefull tho

[vatnabrekk] 04/10/2018 19:31

spawny: Probably best to start by going through PHE's web site which explains the process much better than I can. But basically, this is different from the general process of pyrolysis. The PHE process is at much higher temperatures at over 1,000 degrees centigrade, and is gasification as opposed to pyrolysis. It turns plastic, rubber and other waste materials into syngas which is then used as a fuel to generate electricity or to produce hydrogen which can be used as a fuel for hydrogen cars.

We should have independent verification of the process in about a couple of weeks.

[vatnabrekk] 04/10/2018 16:02

Well, that's what I'm hoping, but I'm not counting any chickens until they hatch.

[superbarnet] 04/10/2018 15:35

If approval is confirmed in 2 weeks the price will go vertical

[davidspringbank] 04/10/2018 14:45

Toe in water - I bought 836,925 @ 0.3575.

[vatnabrekk] 04/10/2018 08:33

I would certainly expect that. In fact, I believe that a positive verification will be the key to unlock a lot of things!

[nobbygnome] 04/10/2018 08:24

I should also say that in the private discussion he was very confident that a positive validation would lead to a substantial uplift in the share price. Yes I have bought a few more by spreadbet this morning....

[vatnabrekk] 04/10/2018 08:23

Thanks Nobby.

[nobbygnome] 04/10/2018 08:21

>> spawny

As long as the validation is positive and they can execute in a reasonably timely fashion (let's not be too optimistic that it will be rapid), I don't think the IP is an issue because of first mover advantage,

[nobbygnome] 04/10/2018 08:19

>> vat

No I don't post there and have no problem with you copying the post.

[spawny100] 04/10/2018 08:15

Thanks Nobby. Main concerns for me are IP and whether the damn thing really can do what it says it can! I have a small stake here so far based on potential.

[vatnabrekk] 04/10/2018 08:13

Hi Nobby, would you be willing for me to copy your post over to the .lse BB, unless you already post on that BB yourself?

[tewkesbury] 01/10/2018 17:52

Share Talk Bulletin Board Heroes
1st October 2018

PHE
2 min 8 sec onwrds:



"start of an attempt to break out"