Powerhouse Energy Share Discussion Threads

[coldspring] 21/1/2020 14:09

Nail on the head Jim! Well played sir well played

[whatsthepoint] 21/1/2020 13:37

The market makers are desperately trying to Mark this down. But demand is too strong. Can see this in new range back to 1 to 1.3 range soon. As the new company post merger consolidates. Great prospects here. More and more Shares are moving to long term holders who like the concept and can see the size of the potential market.

[whatsthepoint] 21/1/2020 12:07

Ken how many more times please call Howard and do some research.

[vatnabrekk] 21/1/2020 12:05

There's a reason for that. Their revenue is going up, but their losses are also going up.

[ken chung] 21/1/2020 11:49

If you want to know how much they are worth look at EQT. Already commercial and only valued at £6m.

[ken chung] 21/1/2020 11:48

Are you seriously saying that PHE could not have just have picked up the phone themselves and gone directly to people like Peel or Toyota but for some reason needed a bloke in jeans and red trainers to do it instead and then give him £20k a month and 40% of the company? Really? Or even that Peel or Toyota couldn't approach PHE the other way around? Pre W2T, PHE were regularly saying how many leads they were getting weren't they? You sound like you work for W2T. Do you?

[whatsthepoint] 21/1/2020 10:48

Tewkesbury that's all well and good and perhaps that's one of the reasons the board of PHE has changed and indeed needs more strengthening. your grievance is not with me,I am just saying we have to do today what we need to do to ensure that the company prospers from the point it is at now. we cant turn the clock back to iron out previous mistakes. the point is the market has reacted very, very, well with the proposal so we should all be celebrating and wanting to ensure it passes the vote by the shareholders. alternatively we are back to square one. onwards and most definitely upwards from this platform.

[tewkesbury] 21/1/2020 10:30

PHE should have done due diligence and not have given rights to W2T without first ensuring W2T had a guaranteed facility to fund its share of costs towards at least the first couple of units. Looks like they didn't even insert a full reversion rights clause in the event W2T could not find funding? Hence now having to buy those rights back.

[tewkesbury] 21/1/2020 10:26

Whatsthepoint they previously took a Pyomex order from Poland and was going to build a Pyromex system at Eiting in Germany and then roll out elsewhere all without W2T so that seems to indicate it had already received enough commercial interest even without W2T.

[whatsthepoint] 21/1/2020 10:10

If you are all so unhappy that PhE is paying too much sell up and move on. I for one am sitting tight as I believe this is just the start of something special. It's just taken longer than we all had hoped.

[tewkesbury] 21/1/2020 10:06

In fact PHE might have been able to do it cheaper.

[tewkesbury] 21/1/2020 09:41

Just out of interest how come, as PHE were paying W2T £20k per month in PHE shares and could just as easily have paid the same amount in shares to those people if they had been working within PHE?

[whatsthepoint] 21/1/2020 09:31

What you fail to understand is that if PHE has indeed built up its workforce to do all the development in house. then there would probably be just as many shares in issue as post merger as the need to cover wages would have been much greater. In Fact they may have failed earlier on running out of cash as they would have been unable to raise sufficient cash to survive. Always unforeseen consequences with any actions

[ken chung] 21/1/2020 09:09

LOL. At last an objective comment.

[city chappy] 21/1/2020 09:05

I think we all know giving away marketing rights to a private related party company with no financial means to pay its way, and insted paying them, was naive to say the least and perhaps just plain wrong. It probably always was going to end up the way it's played out.

[whatsthepoint] 21/1/2020 08:58

You also need to contact Howard White and get a history lesson my friend.

[city chappy] 21/1/2020 08:52

If that's the case then why the split of activities in the first place? Something wasn't right about it from the start.

[whatsthepoint] 21/1/2020 08:43

City chappy But the reaction of the market implies that the majority are extremely happy. This is as I have been saying all along the combined companies worth substantially more than the sum of the two individual parts on their own. The business fails as two individual companies and thrives together. It really is as simple as that. And the Coty now mw gets that

[whatsthepoint] 21/1/2020 08:41

As I said Ken you need to speak to AFC as the reason why they sold there stake. I would imagine there was a good reason. (Contract rights given up in lieu of shares for example) You really do need to get all your anger if your chest by speaking direct to Howard White. It will help you. You may learn something instead of being so bitter and twisted.

[city chappy] 21/1/2020 08:40

We should probably be emailing David Ryan asking him to amend the terms. I am loathed to say it but something does not feel right. Oh well.

[whatsthepoint] 21/1/2020 08:37

Well looks like the market is desperate to create a shake but too many little guys keep coming in. Are the Market makers still happy with building their naked shorts. ???

[ken chung] 21/1/2020 08:33

AFC sold their stake in W2T back to W2T last year for just £24,000, so valueing 100% of W2T at just £83,000.The proposed 60:40 PHE:W2T share split takeover overvalues W2T by a factor of at least 50, basically amounts to giving away your company and you would still be left having to fund what would have been W2T's contribution to future projects imo.Show some willy and demand 90:10 in PHE's favour or reject it.Lemmings and mushrooms only.