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[jl5006] 16/12/2020 18:33

FGS Blue
The PPE scandal cost billions of wasted money
DC was so poorly paid for a man with vision.
Blue u fail to mention that Harding was paid much more for failure and that the PR advice re vaccines wasted almost 750k -Bingham--- her name -

[jl5006] 16/12/2020 18:26

WHO to investigate C 19 origin in Wuhan.
And we rely on this Org to protect our health.
Horse has bolted - u needed to be ahead of the game.
Billions down the drain funding this.

[maxk] 16/12/2020 18:22

And Dominic is worth every penny.

[maxk] 16/12/2020 18:20

I dont think the NI pols would be taking it on the chin if there was no way out.

There's a door and parachute in there somewhere.

[misterbluesky] 16/12/2020 18:20

Bozo was Cummings Lapdog. He is clueless and incompetent and needs someone to make decisions for him that's why he needed Cummings and gave him a hefty pay rise to keep him on his side.

Dominic Cummings got a PAY RISE from £95k to £140k: Boris Johnson's lockdown-flouting adviser had his pay boosted by at least £40k before he left No10 - as documents reveal PM's army of SpAds cost taxpayer almost £10m

The Cabinet Office today published its annual report on special adviser pay

Data shows Dominic Cummings saw pay increase by at least £40,000 this year

Also reveals the Government's army of special advisers cost taxpayers £9.6m

[jl5006] 16/12/2020 18:18

Wont happen Mbsky.
read the posts and u will understand - the previous posts

[misterbluesky] 16/12/2020 18:14

The Blinkered Brexiteers claim to care so much about the Great British Isles yet they are prepared to leave NI behind in the EU in the 'backstop' and move on.

They are a bunch of complete and utter hypocrites.

[jl5006] 16/12/2020 18:08

Interesting quiet.
Just maybe - there has been a filter applied - sign up to continued alerts - but not for all?

[jl5006] 16/12/2020 17:32

Thanks 5xy
So play the game til 31 Dec and then have classes for idiots to explain the reason to the lightweight MPs.
That may be even more difficult - but doable

[xxxxxy] 16/12/2020 17:16

971 I agree.

[xxxxxy] 16/12/2020 17:15

As I understand it too. Guess Boris does as well. So all OK. Maybe.Complicated law though. Need good legal minds.

[k38] 16/12/2020 17:12

The fault to a no deal lies with the EU.. from our behalf we kept our promises with WA... 4 years now, EU did nothing but try to reverse the referendum and cancel Brexit. They never took seriously the talks and agreed as Brexit demands. Brexit means walk away without a deal.. but under the agreement of WA we kept our promises BUT we waste 4 years of talks for...NOTHING, BECAUSE OF THEIR ARROGANCE!!

[xxxxxy] 16/12/2020 17:12

965 and the taken outside.Abolish the Welsh Assembly.On completing Brexit.

[xxxxxy] 16/12/2020 17:11

And that is why scrutiny matters. It is complicated and suspect many MPs don't really understand it either.Scrutiny takes time. That time stuff has gone. So must be No Deal.This stuff matters. No Ted Heath or May now.

[xxxxxy] 16/12/2020 17:08

Regarding your question, I don't know. But gather that some unpleasant legal stuff needs to be sorted after December 31. Nothing insurmountable I think. But we UK needs to be good and act in good faith. Seems the EU is not acting in good faith , rather acting to control and avoid accepting UK sovereignty. .... Although section 2(1) of the 1972 Act giving direct effect to the EU treaties will cease to have force at the end of the transition period on 31 December 2020, after that date the WA and the NIP will continue to be given direct effect and supremacy as a matter of UK law by virtue of section 7A of the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018. That section was inserted into the 2018 Act by section 5 of the EU (Withdrawal Agreement) Act 2020, and is in terms in substance identical to the corresponding section 2 of the 1972 Act.The combined effect of Article 4 of the WA and of section 7A of the UK Act means that key parts of the WA and of the NIP are already part of domestic UK law and will automatically come into effect after 31 December 2020. As UK law now stands, ministers have no legal power to prevent them having effect as part of UK law, or to stop HMRC or the civil service from applying them or to stop the courts from enforcing them.hTtps://lawyersforbritain.org/the-eu-withdrawal-agreement-why-uk-law-must-prevail... The potentially drastic or even catastrophic consequences of this can been seen from the specific examples which the government seeks to address with its clauses, as well as other dangers which the government has hinted it may need to legislate against in future.... And because of supremacy of the WA and Protocol over UK law, the obligation to notify and the suspension of the measure by an injunction in UK courts could apply even if the measure concerned was in an Act of Parliament – for example, a GB-wide tax relief in a Finance Act. And UK courts (including courts in mainland GB) would be required under the Protocol to follow ECJ jurisprudence on this issue treating it as binding, and the Supreme Court would be compelled to refer any doubtful points of interpretation to the ECJ...Since the WA and Protocol have direct effect and supremacy within the UK only by virtue of a section in the Act of Parliament which implemented the WA. Parliament can undo or revise what it has previously done and so can modify or remove under UK law the direct effect of clauses in the WA, and contrary to misconceptions circulating widely, the UK courts are bound to give effect to Parliament's will if expressed in clear terms.

[jl5006] 16/12/2020 17:04

The critical area appears to be that concerning "best endeavours" and thus the need to demonstrate we have complied and the mule of the EU has failed to do so.
As I understand it.

[k38] 16/12/2020 16:56

The WA was a mistake from our behalf..but we can correct it with a no deal agreement....lolEU (Withdrawal Agreement) Bill The EU (Withdrawal Agreement) Bill is required to ratify the Withdrawal Agreement, as agreed between the United Kingdom and the European Union, and implement the Agreements (EU, EEA EFTA and Swiss) in domestic law. This Bill ensures that the United Kingdom is able to fulfil its international obligations, and leave the European Union with a deal.The Bill legislates for an implementation period during which EU laws will continue to apply. This will provide continuity and certainty for individuals and businesses. .There are new rules for businesses and cit.izens from 1 January 2021.No deal and under WTO the WA is useless.

[utrickytrees] 16/12/2020 16:54

Sack the Sheepshagger.

[jl5006] 16/12/2020 16:44

re 960 Tom Archer

I believe he hated the WA with a passion, but in picking up the pieces had little option but to embrace it - albeit with a crafty bit of wording that makes it possible for parliament to unilaterally cancel it.

And that, I feel certain, is his agenda - but.. he abhors being unreasonable. So he is being diligent in maintaining squeaky clean observance of it until year end, when, in the absence of any olive branches from Brussels, I expect he will publish a dossier of the EU's failure to comply with it - citing that as grounds for repeal.

Thus repealed there will no longer be any regulatory separation of NI with the rest of the UK.

Making parliamentary time available for the FTA between now and year end is just compliance with the 'best endeavours' clause in the WA.
If this is so BJ is obliged to use best endeavours -
Does this stand firm legally - then fine -
I must have missed comments such as this which suggest that this has to be the route.

[jl5006] 16/12/2020 16:33

5xy
re 956
I dont understand the post.
Should there be no deal - does the withdrawal agreement have effect - ie - whatever is done the WA determines future rules - or does the WA only have effect in the case of a deal?
My simple mind cannot believe that if we cut the cord the EU has the right to dictate?
Should the WA attach itself to any FTA - then only the MSNs would bother talking further?

[mo123] 16/12/2020 16:33

The Bash Street kids could run the country better than this lot of gross incompetents.

[k38] 16/12/2020 16:32

Again tonight (one more time ) Boris makes clear, "it's up to our friend" which means he is preparing for WTO.No deal unless their demands withdraw.

[xxxxxy] 16/12/2020 16:26

Tom Archer16 Dec 2020 4:07PMSo many hacks and commentators seem to assume that Boris is either stupid or malicious, yet he is patently neither.I believe he hated the WA with a passion, but in picking up the pieces had little option but to embrace it - albeit with a crafty bit of wording that makes it possible for parliament to unilaterally cancel it.And that, I feel certain, is his agenda - but.. he abhors being unreasonable. So he is being diligent in maintaining squeaky clean observance of it until year end, when, in the absence of any olive branches from Brussels, I expect he will publish a dossier of the EU's failure to comply with it - citing that as grounds for repeal.Thus repealed there will no longer be any regulatory separation of NI with the rest of the UK.Making parliamentary time available for the FTA between now and year end is just compliance with the 'best endeavours' clause in the WA. There is no way MPs can scrutinise, debate, and approve 1000+ pages of FTA texts in the time available now, and I expect many would rebel if asked to do so..12LikeReplyOdysseus of Ithaca16 Dec 2020 4:10PM@Tom Archer I would love to agree with you.  But Boris does seem to have been somewhat uncoordinated of late in many things.  So I am preparing to be disappointed and plan for the next steps to regain our sovereignty from the oligarchs in the Stalinist EU.1LikeReplyRoy Dean16 Dec 2020 4:22PM@Tom Archer .....hope you're right.. Daily Telegraph