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[xxxxxy] 16/12/2020 07:49

Funny...5) French bank to pay £75,000 to man sacked for not turning up: Societe Generale has been told it should not have fired an employee for failing to show up to work after a three-year sabbatical.... Daily Telegraph...Or not funny , as the case maybe.

[xxxxxy] 16/12/2020 07:23

EU 'cowards' are running scared of Global Britain in Brexit talks -'Put them to the test!'THE European Union lacks confidence in the strength of its much-vaunted single market, and is terrified at the prospect of the UK out-competing it once freed from Brussels red tape, an economist has said.By CIARAN MCGRATH.... Daily Express....... That sums it up in a nutshell.

[xxxxxy] 16/12/2020 07:11

Better, short term pain. Long term gain.

[xxxxxy] 16/12/2020 07:08

why it is proving so difficult to negotiate, because the EU wants far more than a Free Trade Agreement. It wants control over our competitiveness and law making... John Redwood

[asa8] 16/12/2020 07:00

Burglars predicted text sorry miss

[xxxxxy] 16/12/2020 07:00

No DealWTOLiberty

[xxxxxy] 16/12/2020 06:58

What are state aids?By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: DECEMBER 16, 2020One of the central stumbling blocks of the negotiations between the UK and the EU is said to be the issue of state aids. The EU has this idea that they can define and enforce a so called level playing field, though it usually looks more like a playing field that has been carefully prepared for the EU Home team to have an advantage.Some seem to think it strange this apparently technical middle order issue has got in the way. They misunderstand just what the EU thinks state aid amounts to, or how far they think the playing field turf extends. The EU has long argued that most policies have a bearing on their single market, and that many policies can therefore be a state aid. Their single market stretches from trade policy to education and training, from employment policy to taxation, from energy to transport, from competition policy to digital policy. The market includes a heavily interventionist agricultural and fishing policy.Their idea of state aid goes well beyond the payment of grants to businesses to help them be more competitive. It encompasses taxes, both the lower variety to boost something and the higher variety to stop something or keep it out. It includes wages and minimum wage policy, social support, route licencing, farm subsidies, product specifications and much else.So when the EU says it needs to lock us in to prevent the UK gaining any competitive advantage from choosing better policies, it does so knowing that means wide ranging powers to limit the ability of the UK to govern itself. The EU has implied they might make some sacrifice of their requirement that the UK should accept the need to change its laws in many areas every time the EU does to avoid future undercutting. That would still leave a mighty planoply of powers and policies where the UK would have to observe all EU law at the point of departure.The whole point of leaving the EU is to levy our own taxes, make our own laws, and create a better background for UK business and consumers. The UK government has said it has no wish nor intent to cut employment or environmental standards, but it should be wanting to change the rules of our fishing and agricultural policies, taking down some EU taxes, and looking at ways to foster more employment at home in making and growing things. This is why it is proving so difficult to negotiate, because the EU wants far more than a Free Trade Agreement. It wants control over our competitiveness and law making.

[crazi] 16/12/2020 06:55

Make a deal - break away - do our own thing - and argue down the line specifics where we go our own way...

[k38] 16/12/2020 00:38

Based on the above news I personally will avoid vaccinated before these two, to do so.

[k38] 16/12/2020 00:37

BREAKING White House advises Americans to get vaccinated BUT.... won't commit to date Trump will get vaccine. Biden says he will get vaccine publicly BUT... WON'T commit to date. Biden wants all Americans to be vaccinated. W.H. security director's leg, food amputated due to Coronavirus.(CNN)

[stonedyou] 15/12/2020 22:56

TODAY, 15:11

NO-DEAL BREXIT REMAINS 'MOST LIKELY OUTCOME'

A no-deal exit from the European Union remains the "most likely outcome", the prime minister's spokesperson has said.

It comes after the prime minster briefed ministers on the status of negotiations during a cabinet meeting.

Following the meeting, a spokesperson said the prime minister had “re-emphasised the desire to reach a free trade agreement, but not at any cost, and reiterated any agreement must respect the independence and sovereignty of the UK."

“The prime minister made clear that not being able to reach an agreement and ending the transition period on Australia-style terms remained the most likely outcome but committed to continuing to negotiate on the remaining areas of disagreement,” the spokesperson said.

Reports suggest Number Ten's most pessimistic tone over the last 24 hours has been part of an attempt to manage the public's expectations about the chances of getting a deal.

[jl5006] 15/12/2020 22:51

Y have so many without the ability been allowed todo this.
NHS can have no excuses
Govt absolutely inept
BTW there are some who believe this is it.
Well go die cos it is not it

[utrickytrees] 15/12/2020 22:48

Mexico!!! That means weve got avocados boys....get in!

[xxxxxy] 15/12/2020 22:44

The Conservative Party will cease to exist, as it will be exposed one way and another if they do another May. End of. RIP.No DealWTOLiberty.Nos da . Cymru am byth.

[geckotheglorious] 15/12/2020 22:42

Yeah I agree Lloyds shareholder prospects side Brino is best.
Bit onl yshort term


Big problem is those long term contingent liabilities if we are still in the EU,#Brino(which is what Brino/Remain is)

That will sink UK banking system,and UK...

£200-250bn+ liability

ie 10%+ of National Debt (on balance sheet before all that hidden PFI) in one hit.


We need to take our medicine short term, and fast, and get off the titanic.
For collapse, mass unemployment,poverty, and civil war are coming to the European continent. On top of a refugee crisis!

[xxxxxy] 15/12/2020 22:39

Peter Barnes15 Dec 2020 1:16PMHere's a list of UK Companies that have been transferred to other countries using EU grants. Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK.Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds.Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants.Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.ICI integration into Holland's AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs.Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, brought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU.The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.Name one major technology company still running in the UK, I used to contract out to many, then the work just dried up as they were sold off to companies from France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, etc., and now we don't even teach electronic technology for technicians any more, due to EU regulations.I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there.I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.... Daily Telegraph

[xxxxxy] 15/12/2020 22:30

Jan Goff14 Dec 2020 9:50PMIf we have moved to a level playing field then Boris can resign right now !171LikeReplyRichard Bates15 Dec 2020 2:35AM@Jan Goff Nothing "level" about it! Tilted firmly for EU(SSR) total control.