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[stonedyou] 23/10/2019 19:20

Boris Johnson to Donald Tusk: I don’t want a Brexit delay




BORIS JOHNSON has told Donald Tusk that there should be no Brexit delay, and that

it is in the EU and UK’s interests that Britain leaves the bloc on October 31,

Downing Street has said.

The prime minister spoke to the European council president this morning after his

plans to fast-track his deal through the Commons by the end of the month hit the

buffers.

EU leaders will decide whether to grant Britain a further extension, and for how

long, in order to allow the UK to leave with a deal, following the request for a

delay.


Mr Johnson’s official spokesman said the prime minister ‘set out that he continues

to believe that there should be no extension and that it is in the interests of

both (the EU) and the United Kingdom for us to leave on October 31’ in his call to

Mr Tusk (pictured above).


But a Number 10 source said it ‘looks like’ Brussels will offer an extension until

January 31, adding: ‘In that point we know what will always happen: this broken

parliament will always vote for delay rather than a deal.


‘Therefore if this parliament is unwilling to vote for a deal then we will have to

go for a general election.’

Opposition parties have signalled they will back a poll this autumn if the EU

grants a delay until next year, while talks between the government and Labour on a

new timetable to get the PM’s deal through the Commons appeared to have stalled.

[gotnorolex] 23/10/2019 18:55

k38 That's precisely the Hungarian/Polish view!

[k38] 23/10/2019 18:51

This is a Brussels, especially Merkels mistake. They have to take 100% responsibility. They fail to protect Europe from invasion..and worse all of them want to come to UK.

[gotnorolex] 23/10/2019 18:50

LADESIDE.... How in Parliament's name does one debate "leave means leave" brevity in response will suffice! Dystopia is a contagious discomfort and thrives on dark prophecies circulated by those who sought and lost the referendum! Whingers change the rules of the proposition! That's why they toss a coin to settle disputes between two parties, but even this won't work with the remainers as they will argue over "which way is up"

[k38] 23/10/2019 18:48

I am sure Boris will argue against an extension with Brussels but in case they go ahead with one Boris, I am sure, will ask for a 2 to 3 weeks max.

[cheshire pete] 23/10/2019 18:38

Delaying Brexit may seem a victory to our Parliament but signs are that the EU doesn't unanimously see it that way. Before Boris they'd probably hoped that A50 would eventually be revoked, now they are bound to ask is this delay what we really want. Do yourselves and us a favour and refuse any extension.

[cheshire pete] 23/10/2019 18:17

Lorry deaths tragic. Joe public will link it to the EU and control of our borders though. Bad news. EU bad news, why we wanted to leave.

[cheshire pete] 23/10/2019 18:14

No deal Boris, stick to your guns. Whatever it takes to get the extension vetoed, bungs ok we've given them to DUP so why not to EU member states, only one needed. Leave no deal 31st Oct.

[poikka] 23/10/2019 17:46

Ladeside - "The problem Alphorn, is that it's extremely difficult to get any decent debate on the subject (Brexit)."

Perhaps you'd like to start a debate?

[1carus] 23/10/2019 17:43

Min, have you been up here to visit our 'Small' Windfarms? TBH I never though I would see the day when so much was being generated by them. I think Pierre has a point re the constraint payments to be fair, but you have to hand it to them for putting up as many as they have. As for the long term costs of windfarms I have my doubts. I don't know what their life expectancy is on the major parts but I struggle to see them being as economical as steam turbine in one form or another. I should be wrong as the fuel is effectively free. Scotland's proportion of days when wind effectively supplies their entire requirment is increasing, however, I am not sure that covers peak periods, more of an averaging for a 24hr period, which if so would be a favourable statistic at best. And the fact remains, if the wind doesn't blow we'll be needing some of the 'baseload' from Drax or something from hydro. The green tax on energy is expensive, and I expect it is not always wisely spent. It's not means tested and hits the poor hardest.

[rovi70] 23/10/2019 17:39

The Year is 2192 ..... The English Prime Minister visits the great empire of Brussels to ask for an extension to the Brexit deadline.

No one remembers where this tradition originated, but every year it a tracks many flag wavers and tourists from all over the world.

[mikemichael2] 23/10/2019 17:30

Who needs Drax and Hydro, you two provide enough hot air and gas to run the lot!!!

[minerve 2] 23/10/2019 17:25

If we are talking about subsidies for new business to farmers perhaps we should look at the assistance private landlords have had over the decades? Then again, it isn't convenient to do so, not to a Tory lemming anyway.

[minerve 2] 23/10/2019 17:22

Pierre seems to conveniently put aside the price agreed per watt for Hinkley, probably the highest price of any energy from any source in the UK! Instead he chooses to single out a few small wind farms in Scotland.

What else would you expect from a Flat Earther?

[pierre oreilly] 23/10/2019 17:16

Bob, about the wind, many a true word said in jest.

No we don't need your wind. Have you noticed lots of windfarms in scotland? Loads and loads, all in a country which has a big surplus of power anyway, due to hydro.

Well, you'll be pleased to know that scottish windfarms are built in the hope they won't be used. Even in scotland, it appears that the good old grid has to buy any electricity from every windfarm, whether it wants it or not.

Because the interconnector is already usually at capacity, it's clear that any extra a windfarm would produce can't be sent here. In those circumstances, national grid gets the blame, and has to tell the windfarm to shut down ... it is constrained off by ngc. Now the magic of this for scottish windfarm owners is that the compensation (constraint payments) are higher than the generation payments! Neat eh, at least for scotland and scottish windfarm owners.

So, what is the current situation. Someone applies for a windfarm in scotland, the greens orgasm over another windfarm and its free electricity. The uk pays a subsidy to get the farm built, (planning is rarely a problem in scotalnd, unlike england). Then the farm gets connected and almost immediately is constrained off by ngc, generating millions is constraint payments for not generating. The end result? Even more easy money scottish windfarms built to harvest constraint payments, not the wind, a great wheeze! Oopse, another 20% on electricity bills this year.

[mr.elbee] 23/10/2019 17:04

Pierre are you are saint ? or a monk?

why are you bothering with those who ,with the best of intentions, should be left well alone?.

[bargainbob] 23/10/2019 16:50

Not content with the oil , water and whisky they take our electricity too.Though going by this board they do not need our wind .

"2 - the scottish grid is connected to our grid via interconnectors. Due to a surplus of cheap scottish power (mountains/hydro) and a shortage on the se of england, the interconnector usually is at capacity sending electricity from scotland to england. Your view of drax pumping some pumped storage in scotland is more just an accounting exercise via various contracts rather than the electricity generated by drax at night pumping any scottish water. Drax physically pumps dinorwig if anything, since that is on the same grid, but that matters not for accounting purposes. It's impossible to say where any electricity arises nor where it is used on a grid. (Hence 'green' retail customers thinking they're only getting windmill generated electricity actually get the same as everyone else, a mix of nuke, coal, pellet, gas, solar, wind)."

[jordaggy] 23/10/2019 16:49

Alp, I think they are factoring in the strengthening £.