Lloyds Banking Share Discussion Threads

[grahamite2] 18/10/2019 22:01

Any of you noticed anything strange about the Surrender Act?

It describes in some detail what the PM must do in certain circumstances, but as far as I can see, it does not state any penalties for not doing so. Boris can ignore it at will.

[cheshire pete] 18/10/2019 21:53

Leoneobull:

In 2017 my son hit a wall on a bike in the South of France suffering multiple fractures requiring emergency surgery.

So because your son had an unfortunate accident we should all have to put up with staying in the horrendous EU lol.

[leoneobull] 18/10/2019 21:35

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/10/uk-set-give-best-deal-any-eu-member-state-has-ever-had

[leoneobull] 18/10/2019 21:35

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/10/uk-set-give-best-deal-any-eu-member-state-has-ever-had

[leoneobull] 18/10/2019 21:35

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/10/uk-set-give-best-deal-any-eu-member-state-has-ever-had

[k38] 18/10/2019 19:59

Anyone of you watch the BBC programme "newswatch" If not probably you will have another chance later on in the night to witness the USELESS EXCUSE from the BBC about the background flags and noises from the remainers.

[k38] 18/10/2019 19:48

Three an half years Brussels try to stop Britain from leaving by using all the tricks in the book and more.If they had democracy in Brussels they should have said , thank you Britain and let's have a trade deal which both of us can benefit. BUT NO, "WE ARE GOING TO PUNISH YOU FOR THINKING OF LEAVING "Really..? This is what you call democracy? More power to Brussels less to the people living in this country?With Corruption top in the list second to power control in a few hands...That's just f#cking wrong!!

[grahamite2] 18/10/2019 19:44

Phil Hunter 18 Oct 2019 7:34PM

As a staunch Brexiteer, Conservative Party member and supporter of Mr Johnson, I'm very, very happy with how things are developing.

The reckoning is coming for the arrogant, sneering, sanctimonious Remain lobby. MPs, Bureaucrats and Institutions such as the BBC should be afraid. Very, very afraid.

[mazarin] 18/10/2019 19:38

In my view LLOY’s held up remarkably well this week in the face of such uncertainty, I certainly fully expected it to fall following Boris’s announcement on Thursday in response to the merits or otherwise of his deal were mulled over by opposing factions. Even today I thought the share price resilient and only slipped a few points eventually falling victim to doubt. As part of my strategy, I sold my entire LLOY holding ahead of Thursday’s announcement, as it represented the largest element of my portfolio and was too much to risk in this climate. I’ll wait in the wings to see what transpires tomorrow. I feel sure immediate sentiment in LLOY’s will weigh heavy, either way. So I’m out for now, but not for long. Time will tell, although regretfully this is not the end of this unfortunate saga, which ever way it goes.

[k38] 18/10/2019 19:24

Till yesterday you lot had no idea what Brussels represent. Today you think you know more then others because BBC told you so.Let me tell you, all you remainers still living in a cloud cuckoo land.

[grahamite2] 18/10/2019 19:22

From the same article in The Daily Telegraph:

Downing Street has long been preparing for a ‘people versus parliament’ election and believe Mr Johnson’s extraordinary act of statecraft has considerably strengthened their hand.

“We’ll have an election and secure a majority,” said the source. “Everyone now knows that we don’t bluff.

“When it comes to negotiating the future relationship - it will be the same deal or no deal approach. Everyone described us as wreckers - they insisted we didn’t want a deal, but we said all along - we want a deal first but that we weren’t frightened of no deal.

“No deal will always be preferable to a second referendum. That’s by far the worst outcome for the country - another year of this horror. And the public knows this - they don’t want a second referendum either.”

[xxxxxy] 18/10/2019 19:16

So there are many reasons for concern.

[diku] 18/10/2019 19:16

Did Bojo put the red colour lipstick on May's pig...should have gone for the pink...



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The resignation of cabinet ministers Dominic Raab and Esther McVey have thrown a spanner in the works.


Boris tried to put nu lipstick on May's pig, but a pig is still a pig.

[xxxxxy] 18/10/2019 19:15

Forget Westminster politics, is Boris's new EU treaty Brexit? No, it's notLayman's summary of the EU's new UK colonisation treaty agreed by the PM yesterday?    ?© Brexit Facts4EU.Org - Full-size clickable factsheet is available belowBrexit Facts4EU.Org reviews 'May Mk2' with the advice of a Brussels-based barristerWhile most of the media continues to be obsessed by the internal politics of Brexit, we look at the basic facts of what the Government wants MPs – and therefore the British people – to sign up to.We have focused purely on all the NON NORTHERN IRELAND issues which have not changed and which make this treaty unacceptable, regardless of the amendments secured to the Backstop.What follows is a short summary of the continued imposition by the EU of an unacceptable denial of freedoms to an independent UK. Our summary has been prepared with significant input by a Brussels-based barrister. If passed by Parliament tomorrow, all of it will apply to the UK on 01 November 2019 and significant parts will apply even after the end of the Transition Period, supposedly on 01 Jan 2022 but more likely to be in many years' time.BREXIT FACTS4EU.ORG SUMMARYThis is 'May Mk2' – the EU's latest colonisation treaty for the UKPrepared by Brexit Facts4EU.Org with advice from a Brussels-based barristerLegend: 'WA' = Withdrawal Agreement, 'PD' = Political Declaration1. Parliament will not be sovereign - UK still to be governed by existing and new laws of the ECJ – a foreign court – and with no say over these laws. [WA articles 4, 87, 89 and 127, PD para 131]2. Demands payment of a sum to be decided by the EU - Minimum £39 billion but this is likely to increase and the EU decides the final sum. This must be paid BEFORE any trade deal is agreed. [WA articles 138-144, and 152-155]3. No trade deal with EU – Not included as this is just a divorce treaty. Any EU trade deal must ensure "a level playing field for open and fair competition" and "deep regulatory and customs cooperation". This will make it difficult for the UK to reduce non-tariff barriers in trade deals with USA, Australia, China, etc. [PD paras 17 & 21]4. Prevents independent tax policy - Political Declaration still obliges UK to adopt a future relationship which will impose EU State Aid rules and "relevant tax matters" on the UK. EU specifically intends to curb UK's ability to have "harmful tax practices". Withdrawal Treaty also applies EU law to UK during transition period - allowing EU to sue UK, including infringement proceedings for as yet unidentified breaches of State Aid rules and billions in VAT on commodity derivative transactions dating back to 1970s. [PD para 77, WA articles 86, 93, 127].5. Restricts independent foreign policy - UK to be bound by international agreements concluded by the EU despite having no influence in their negotiation during the transition period and must "refrain, during the transition period, from any action... which is likely to be prejudicial" to the interests of the EU. [Articles 129(3) and (6)].6. Prevents independent military action – UK permanently stopped from taking "any action likely to conflict with or impede" EU's foreign policies. Critical parts of section on foreign policy and security are not reciprocal, eg future relationship will not "prejudice the decision-making autonomy of the EU" but no such language for UK – only permitted to "maintain the right to determine how [to respond] to any invitation to participate in operations or missions". Also, parties "agree to consider" security collaboration in European Defence Agency, European Defence Fund, and PESCO "to the extent possible under [EU law]" which is prescriptive (not permissive) obligation. Despite paying for European Defence Agency during transition, British troops in EU battlegroups will not be led by British staff officers. [WA articles 129(6-7) and 156-157, PD paras 99, 102(c)]7. Controls UK fishing – Common Fisheries Policy continues in UK waters during transition (which can be extended) but UK will have no say in implementation or enforcement. After transition, Political Declaration requires "cooperation on... regulation of fisheries, in a non-discriminatory manner" - code for continuing current arrangements for EU access to UK waters. Any trade deal to "ensure service providers and investors are treated in a non-discriminatory manner, including with regard to establishment" - prevents UK protecting quotas from EU purchase. [PD paras 29 and 72]8. Replaces one EU Commission with another - New body established with "powers equivalent to those of the European Commission". UK must accept exclusive jurisdiction of Arbitration Panel and judgments of ECJ. Grants EU officials criminal immunity and exemption from UK tax. Imposes gagging order on UK which must keep all EU information confidential but EU can use UK information as it sees fit. [WA articles 74, 101, 104-5, 106-116, 159, 168, 174]9. Leaves UK with €500bn liabilities from EU Investment Bank but no profits - No rights to past and future profits made from UK investment in EIB, no rights to UK share of assets of EIB, yet UK remaining liable for risk of up to €500bn of guarantees. UK must let EU bid for UK public projects at least during transition. [WA articles 34, 75-78, 127, 143, 147, 150].10. EU colonisation - makes UK bystander in laws that govern it - UK permitted to send civil servant to Brussels to observe EU passing laws designed to disadvantage UK economy during transition which might last many years. EU could regulate London's huge foreign exchange markets, impose financial transaction tax that would be collected at UK expense by HMRC but sent to foreign governments. [WA article 34]

[grahamite2] 18/10/2019 19:14

A senior government source scotched suggestions that German Chancellor Angela Merkel had described another extension as ‘unavoidable’, saying: “There’s a lot of confused reports coming out of Brussels right now.

“The bottom line is, the Prime Minister will not be asking for a delay. If parliament turns down its chance to vote through a Brexit deal then we are still going to leave on October 31.

“The Benn Act doesn’t stop the government being the government. In the event nothing passes through the House of Commons, we’re still leaving on Halloween.”

[k38] 18/10/2019 19:13

I think some remainers will be better off by moving to a European country. Do us a favour..pls.

[xxxxxy] 18/10/2019 19:07

People.Keep boycotting goods and product of the EUSSR. Particularly boycott stuff from Germany and RoILEAVE and LEAVE and LEAVE

[xxxxxy] 18/10/2019 19:05

You sound nasty like the Gestapo and Mafia techniques ofthe EUSSR.So diddums to you.

[alphorn] 18/10/2019 19:03

Poika - we agree on the tango. A great dance - Tuesday evenings for me. ;))