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[alphorn] 18/10/2019 13:36

There will be no clarity until the future trade arrangements are agreed. Are you that naïve?

[pierre oreilly] 18/10/2019 13:26

As always, it's uncertainty which is the worst destabiliser.

Once we're out (under whatever conditions) and there's therefore certainty that we are out, the clarity will make all business decisions much easier simply due to the removal of uncertainty.

[pierre oreilly] 18/10/2019 13:23

Lade, why have you gone all non linear?

Why will 10yo soon be up our chimneys?

The ridiculous spin around erosion of workers rights is just painful.

What is actually occurring is workers rights, as well as many other things governing our society and way of life, will simply transfer from the eu deciding and the uk deciding its own destiny. You are saying the uk will decide to send kids up chimneys - why don't you have some faith that we are a well developed, relatively fair society which will implement fair workers rights, where workers need protection? If the government doesn't do as we like, in workers' rights and other areas, then we just vote for a party which will.

You remoaners seem to think the uk is absolutely unable to think and act in a rational and fair manner.

Could scotshire, if independent, implement fair workers' rights, or is it just the uk government who can't, and just the uk gov who will send kids up chimneys?

[corpbull] 18/10/2019 13:21

BOJO has clearly shown he is just as useless as TM! This deal is useless! It should be voted down and about time JC show some balls and go for GE! We can then vote for Brexit Party and show EU the masters are the people!

[grahamite2] 18/10/2019 13:07

So what we're saying is that we want Boris's deal to fail and for him then to ignore the Surrender Act? I could live with that.

[gbh2] 18/10/2019 13:05

Judging by Macron's reaction to the deal the EU have retained their rights to *uck up our fishing and farming industries, in much the same way they've done since Ted Heath sold them to the EU !

[crossing_the_rubicon] 18/10/2019 13:02

@Poikka,

Rather leave without a deal ie WTO Brexit then append FTAs and various bilaterals asap.

Sooner we are away, diverting from EU's final destination the better imo.

[crossing_the_rubicon] 18/10/2019 12:57

"Graham
Any thoughts?
I accept we must live in the real world"


BJ's deal is Brino, therefore unacceptable.

As I feared Defence side/Fishing, no change to May's WA proposition.


"mr.elbee18 Oct '19 - 11:16 - 279158 of 279183"
This post is a succinct summary of what is wrong with the Boris proposal.

It isnt LEAVE. It isnt bringing back control of laws, trade, much of UK economic/Social policy, nor the independence of our Military and fishing waters.

[crossing_the_rubicon] 18/10/2019 12:54

"mr.elbee18 Oct '19 - 11:16 - 279158 of 279159
The Revised Political Declaration
Introduction

So far as we are aware the only material changes in the Withdrawal Agreement (Treaty) are to the NI Protocol, which means that the critical ECJ oversight and Art 184 link to the Political Declaration remain. I am told by UKREP that there are two changes to other Articles in the Treaty but they were unable to tell us which ones.

Executive Summary

The Treaty permanently restricts our military independence, demands payment of an unspecified sum, prevents independent arbitration, grants EU officials immunity from UK laws, leaves us with EIB contingent liabilities running into tens if not hundreds of billions and will impose punitive laws on the UK during a transition which is likely to be extended until mid 2022 (just a few months before the next General Election).

The Political Declaration is such that a future FTA with the EU is made unpalatable because it will restrict our foreign policy and military independence as well as policies in trade, tax, fishing, environment, social and employment, competition and state aid. Free movement is replaced with vague notions of "mobility" and "non discrimination"




So it's Brino as I suspected when I heard that we would remain aligned social policy/taxation side to maintain a fair level playing field.

Whilst the stated end destination is a CETA not CU, keeping most of the Withdrawal Agreement is NOT BREXIT as I feared.

No wonder DUP wont accept it.

Surprised Mogg finds it palatable.

Never trusted Boris Johnson to deliver.

[dr biotech] 18/10/2019 12:53

Think if Johnson wins he will get a big boost in the polls and that will be the end of Farage and probably Corbyn too. Quite what it will do to UK ltd I’m not sure. People want to move on

[financeguru] 18/10/2019 12:49

pot and kettle come to mind miniman

[bargainbob] 18/10/2019 12:48

No point guessing guys a high stake 48 hrs ahead , with various outcomes.

Sit back , say nothing and observe . Guessing at this stage only makes you look like a fool.

[minerve 2] 18/10/2019 12:45

You are already in Cloud Cuckoo Land!

[grahamite2] 18/10/2019 12:41

At this important time, I want to update you on The Brexit Party’s thoughts on Boris’ proposed deal. The truth is that it would be BRINO, Brexit in name only. We have always stood for a Clean-Break Brexit so we can maximise the Brexit opportunities.

This deal is still a really bad deal. Apart from unnecessarily paying £39 billion, the Political Declaration — which sets the basis for the future Free Trade Agreement with the EU — is full of traps and pitfalls. Despite the warm words, it will heavily restrict our foreign policy and military independence as well as policies on trade, tax, fishing, the environment, social and employment law, competition and state aid. We will have to operate on a “level playing field”. We would not be able to become a high growth, low tax, smartly regulated economy, which the EU is terrified that we could become.

If Boris’ treaty is passed, a transition period of over three years is likely — when we have no voice, no vote and no veto — as the EU sets new rules and laws that discriminate against us.

Any short-term temptation to back this deal will result in huge medium-term regret. It would be a historic mistake. A Clean-Break Brexit is still the right way forward.
With thanks,



Richard Tice
Chairman of The Brexit Party

Any thoughts? (obviously denbos will agree!)

I support a no deal Brexit as strongly as anyone, but on the other hand I accept we must live in the real world, not cloud cuckoo land.

[denbos] 18/10/2019 12:36

The Boris deal is a total sell out to the 4th Reich.
No deal is the way out of the EU. Then the bargaining is honest as there is weight on the shoulders of the protagonists. The BS about the markets is not why we live but it is what gluttons thrive on.

[pillion] 18/10/2019 12:16

Would a double option be prudent today ?
SP could be dramatic on Monday

[k38] 18/10/2019 12:05

AlpBut you know I am right.. ;))Brexit means democracy and freedom. The union must stays as it is.The Dark Powers must be defeated!!

[alphorn] 18/10/2019 11:57

k38 - you are an immigrant, with which I have no problem, but you are one of the most vociferous posters to block out anybody else and wish a hard line exit. You act very much like a heavy smoker who has given up smoking discussing the subject.

An observation.

[k38] 18/10/2019 11:52

The Scottish have no case.. the situation between the two nations are not even close related.