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[xxxxxy] 05/12/2018 15:01

Something and Nothing. Best LEAVE and WTO

What the Grieve Amendment means and how MPs voted on it

What was interesting about the voting on the Grieve amendment was that 25 Tory MPs rebelled against the Government to vote for it, including some who are usually hyper-loyal to the Government like Damian Green, Sir Michael Fallon and Sir Nicholas Soames. The word circulating around Parliament last night was that the Government Whips’ Office had given licence to the rebels – even encouraged them to vote the way they did – in order to put the frighteners on Brexiteers opposed to May’s deal: the logic being that it demonstrated that the numbers are there to oppose a no-deal Brexit, which means that opposing May’s deal heightens the possibility of no Brexit at all. Certainly there are Remainers holding out hope that the passing of this amendment is a means by which they will be able to fatally scupper Brexit altogether.


However, Brexiteers continue to point out that any motions amended under the Grieve procedure would not be legally binding or change the law of the land. After all, the exit date of 29th March 2019 is set in stone – written into the European Union (Withdrawal) Act in black and white – and it would require new primary legislation to overturn that rather than a mere motion expressing a point of view. 

[ladeside] 05/12/2018 14:46

We'll fight them on the beaches................

[stonedyou] 05/12/2018 14:42

TONY PARSONS Why do the ‘rebels’ of rock feel the need to cosy up to the EU? British music was never inspired by mysterious rhythms coming from Brussels


The Beatles, the Rolling Stones, The Who, The Kinks, Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin

all somehow managed to make great music without Brussels.



EU is the ESTABLISHMENT, man! And the EU is the ­establishment at its

most ­unaccountable, undemocratic, incompetent and corrupt.

The EU is not a beautiful thing, Bono. It is a crumbling ­expansionist empire,

rotten to the core, merciless in its opposition to democracy.

The EU is a gravy train, Bono, a trough for puffed-up political piggies, a

sclerotic body of ­privileged old white men in suits with MEPs who do not have to

provide receipts for their £4,000-a-month expenses. The EU really stinks, Bono.

[xxxxxy] 05/12/2018 14:08

People. Gloves off. Time to BOYCOTT the EU. The Elite have crushed and twisted and swindled our Democracy. But the People have teeth too and it is time to bare them,

This is a Non – Agreement cobbled together by May and a two-faced Conservative Party. It is trying to fob off the The Referendum Result and sell this 'agreement'. But in effect it is REMAIN all dressed up in new clothing and method. This will never be harmonious, and now may be the time to consider various campaigns such as whether to buy German cars for example. 17 million voted against staying in the EU. That is a lot of buying power. Think before buy now.
Campaign. The politicians have not listened. The Economic War. THE PEOPLE RULE OK!

German cars and apes


German cars unfinished business


And there is the consideration of Continental European wine. Many fine and exciting wines found outside Europe.

The EUSSR has stated publically it wants to HURT the UK. We can HURT the EUSSR too, particulay Germany and Vichy France. Spanish holiday. Think.

The People can vote and not be listened to. BUT THE PEOPLE CAN ACT . Think before buying from the EUSSR


Pass it on. BOYCOTT the EUSSR. Pass it on.

[polar fox] 05/12/2018 13:57

Yes, Ace, Norman Smith mentioned this at the end of PMQs. He described it as a possible attempt to finesse the backstop past unhappy backbenchers, very much in its early stages.

[stonedyou] 05/12/2018 13:50

careful -

You really don`t understand the British when we are being threaten by scumbags!

[polar fox] 05/12/2018 13:29

Regarding the legal advice, various BBC folk, like Norman Smith and John Pienaar, seem to be concluding that there is nothing really new in this morning's release, that people didn't already know. That's the broad brush impression coming across, despite the usual jousting at PMQs.

Very interesting price reversal today so far. Down to 54.29 first thing and now just around 56.60 as I type. Quite a move, with some bullish potential. It bears watching carefully before Tuesday's vote.

[optomistic] 05/12/2018 13:19

Now it's getting really confusing...it appears to have gone up over 1p

[poikka] 05/12/2018 13:17

Wonder why the banks are rising. Can't be political news, maybe it's China saying they could do a deal with Trump.

[renewed1] 05/12/2018 13:01

Does being colourblind come on this quick??

[stonedyou] 05/12/2018 12:57

ak47high prophecy SHOCK: One ak47high prediction that are YET to come true.....

[ak47high] 05/12/2018 12:42

Stoned, May has stitched you up and it’s slowly starting to sink in.

[stonedyou] 05/12/2018 12:34

careful - Sorry some on ear are lousy looooooooosers!!!!!







careful - "Some on this thread do not seem to grasp the significance of the

Dominic Greave amendment last night"


Brexiteer FIGHT BACK: Iain Duncan-Smith warns Grieve his victory can be IGNORED

[stonedyou] 05/12/2018 12:28

I hate to say I told you sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!


Brexiteer FIGHT BACK: Iain Duncan-Smith warns Grieve his victory can be IGNORED





BREXITEER Iain Duncan-Smith dismantled claims Dominic Grieve's amendment to the

Withdrawal Agreement will force Brexiteers to back Theresa May's deal as it takes

a no-deal scenario off the table - arguing motions "don't mean anything".


Remainer Dominic Grieve secured a parliamentary victory on Tuesday when he re-proposed an amendment to the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement that will allow Parliament to continue to have a say on future Brexit plans after - and if - Theresa May's deal is voted down by the House of Commons on December 11. The amendment could take a no-deal scenario off the table forcing Brexiteers to vote in favour of the Prime Minister's deal to avoid Brexit being stopped altogether.


But Tory Brexiteer Iain Duncan-Smith dismissed the theory.


He told Sky News: "It's an amendment to a motion and the motion is not binding on

the Government because it’s not legislation.

“So the Government can have that motion passed and still ignore it. Why? Because

right now they have a position which is ultimately to legislate and only when the

legislation arrived there’s anything binding on the Government.


“They’ve agreed that on one principle Parliament will tell whether it wants this

deal or it doesn’t.

“If it doesn’t want the deal then she has to go back and negotiate it. What they

can’t do is bind her hands on what she then negotiates.

“She’s got to come back again for another vote in Parliament and that’s the

reality to it.”

[alphorn] 05/12/2018 12:12

I am with Careful on the Grieve amendment; it could be very significant which IMO is why GBP has strengthened today.

I know that some politicians have said otherwise but they can be wrong. It was only a few weeks ago that Davis said the UK can negotiate with the EU in the transition period following a No Deal. What a fool, there is no transition after a No Deal, and he was the Brexit Minister for 2 years ffs!!!

[alphorn] 05/12/2018 11:55

g - there is truth in all of that. The very sad fact is that the West has caused much of this problem by bombing the hell out of reasonably stable countries and leaving them almost totally destroyed. The reason? There are 'higher' goals than just a Brexit in play - oil and middle eastern power plays. We are just pawns in much of what goes on.

[careful] 05/12/2018 11:48

stoned
you must double check last nights vote and its significance.
there will be no hard Brexit, the vast majority of MP's now have the power to stop it.

on the matter of the second referendum I do not understand the objections.
17.4m voted to leave, just over 16m voted to remain, 10m did not bother to vote.

Why not give the 17.4 m people a chance to confirm their vote now that they know more about it.
Maybe some of the remainers and those that did not bother will join them and they will win big.
That would be it then, it would shut up those whinging remainers up forever. Hard Brexit if thats what we want now. No more referenda.

funny isn't it, on the night of the referendum, Farage thought they had lost, but promised his supporters that they would fight on for another referendum.

[k38] 05/12/2018 11:43

*residence..(Sorry about this)

[patientcapital] 05/12/2018 11:42

I'm sure we, The People, had one in 2016 if memory serves. Followed by a General Election where the two main parties stood to uphold the Referendum outcome.

[grahamite2] 05/12/2018 11:41

Alphorn, I hear what you say with your "from itself." But that is more relevant to the Europe of absolute monarchs and totalitarian dictators, a Europe that no longer exists and hasn't done for many decades.

The menace today is from uncounted hordes of poor and primitive people from wholly alien cultures - and with that, the EU not only isn't helping, it's making things worse.