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[xxxxxy] 05/12/2018 09:12

The debate and votes on the EU Agreement
By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: DECEMBER 5, 2018
Parliament was told on Monday that the Speaker will accept votes on up to six amendments to the government’s motion to approve its EU Withdrawal Agreement. The official Opposition has already tabled an amendment that declines to approve the Agreement and asks for customs union and single market membership. This is very likely to be selected for a vote. There is a Lib Dem amendment seeking a second referendum. There is a Hilary Benn/Dominic Grieve amendment seeking to reject both the Withdrawal Agreement and exit without an Agreement. There are then amendments seeking to avoid or amend the Irish backstop. There may be other amendments before the Speaker makes a decision on which ones to select for votes.

Under the procedure laid down the votes on amendments will take place before the vote on the government’s main motion proposing the Withdrawal Agreement. Were any of the amendments to be carried, the final vote will then be on the amended motion rather than on the government’s original motion proposing the Withdrawal Agreement. It is important to recognise that were the government to lose an amendment the straightforward issue of whether to accept or reject the Withdrawal Agreement will not be voted on. Presumably the government would find the Opposition amendments unacceptable, having tried to vote them down in the first place. It therefore seems likely the government would ask Conservative and DUP MPs to vote against the motion as amended.

Yesterday the government managed to lose three important votes. The votes on whether the government has been guilty of contempt of Parliament or not was mainly lost owing to the disaffection of the DUP over the Withdrawal Agreement. The third one was over how to proceed in January with what should be a neutral motion on leaving if we are leaving without an agreement, if that is the course owing to the defeat of the Withdrawal Agreement. This was lost owing to Conservative opponents of the government from the Remain side who want to keep open a route to thwart Brexit. It shows the difficulty of whipping against the background of a Withdrawal Agreement which suits neither side in the referendum argument, by a government which has lost the reliable support of the DUP. Supporters of Mrs May also wanted to use the threat of no Brexit to try to get pro Brexit MPs to vote for the May Agreement. This in unlikely to work as the Agreement is penal and does not get us out of the EU in any normal sense of that phrase.

The government should now publish the Attorney General’s advice as Parliament requires. It should accept Parliament and much of the country does not want the Withdrawal Agreement, and notify the EU accordingly.

[xxxxxy] 05/12/2018 09:10

One of the basic problems is that; we can sign deals but they may well not be allowed to be implemented because of the 'backstop' conditions being imposed by EU sayso. Remove the backstop and perhaps things may be a little more OKish.

And 39 billion too much.

[minerve] 05/12/2018 09:07

MM2

I don't need to go anywhere. Just bide my time. ;)

If we have another vote hopefully enough of you morons are 6ft under by now to sway the vote to Remain.

And then the rest of you will eventually hit the floor year-by-year to never make it an issue again. You cohort are the thickest pile of morons I've ever known. I think it is because you've had it too easy and that has bred apathy and ignorance. My daughter's cohort are much more switched on to issues than you old farty tabloid readers.

[cm44] 05/12/2018 09:03

Legal advice to be published at 11:30 this morning.

[m4rtinu] 05/12/2018 09:00

The darkest hour is just before dawn. But I think it is getting darker still first.

[purplepanther] 05/12/2018 08:57

As Mervyn King wisely said yesterday:"There are arguments for remaining in the EU and arguments for leaving. But there is no case whatever for giving up the benefits of remaining without obtaining the benefits of leaving."Leadsom can say what she wants but Parliament is doing its job and this is likely to go to a Second Referendum

[maxk] 05/12/2018 08:56

You cant please everyone .. so treeza comes back with a deal that pleases no one.

She is at least, consistent.


Ditch it and plan for wto, or Canada.

[poikka] 05/12/2018 08:55

THIS STINKS.

Now we have the Chairman of the 1922 Committee coming out in support of May! That, IMO, is not his job: surely he is there to organise leadership elections; represent backbenchers opinions, and remain vocally impartial.

So are THE WHIPS playing really dirty? What has Brady been up to, I wonder - and others who you'd think should have more sense.

[montyhedge] 05/12/2018 08:55

Corbyn 4.1 fav to be next PM, even money election 2019.Banks beware if his gets in.

[ladeside] 05/12/2018 08:47

I'd think that without a doubt, the only real laughing stock in Europe right now is the UK..........

[polar fox] 05/12/2018 08:38

Leadsom has spoken to the BBC this morning:

"Andrea Leadsom has warned that MPs will "live to regret" their historic vote to hold the Government in contempt of parliament, as she said its full legal advice on the Brexit deal would be published later today."

[buywell3] 05/12/2018 08:01

The EU is fracturing

French riots ... Macron out

Merkel losing power ... had her day ... Deutsche Bank in trouble

Italy bankrupt ... but want to spend spend spend

And now its spread to Brussels ... Belgium also having problems re immigration


All the UK has to do is call a 12 month stay ... and wait for the EU to implode

[minerve] 04/12/2018 23:51

Tell me I'm wrong on that description.

[minerve] 04/12/2018 23:22

maxk

You are just an irrelevant old-f%%t. Probably live in a 3 bed semi. No higher education. No professional career. Your inability and impotence throughout life has been blamed on others. Now you hope and pretend that you have influence on others but in reality nobody cares. The world has moved on from your time. Get used to it, you will sleep easier. ;)

[maxk] 04/12/2018 23:15

I dunno Min.

I have yet to come across a bigger self interested turnip than your goodself.

[minerve] 04/12/2018 23:02

Well if it avoids a Hard-Brexit that has to be something worthwhile. The minority of nutters are not going to get it all their way.

[careful] 04/12/2018 22:49

Things looking better for we remainers tonight.
Grieve amendment changes everything.
Parliament will end up deciding, which is their job.

[stonedyou] 04/12/2018 22:42

Been ordered into bed....Will answer tomorrow!

Nite nite.

[newbank] 04/12/2018 22:35

Stonedyou,

Sorry, to make myself clear on the questions you queried in post 547 with reference to my post 540,

2) Question was if TM is forced to resign or fight a leadership contest who will challenge her as a credible Prime Minister? BJ (Boris) or Mogg? In the later case Mogg is a clever chap but I doubt if he will ever appeal to the mass electorate when we eventually have to have a GE, whether in 2022 or as is likely, much sooner. As for BJ hasn't he already made so many political gaffs as to remove him from ever being taken seriously as a viable contender?

3) The question relates to 'if TM is defeated' and all the six other parties gang up to try and force a GE. Then if there is a GE who will vote for a Conservative Party that is split? Also, another related question, if following that GE, Labour win; Would you be HAPPY to see an extreme Left Wing Government take control of the economy, Nationalise everything that is good in this Country (some good Private Companies that once were Nationalised)and also take Control of at least 10% of ALL COMPANIES that have 250+ employees and also FORCE COMPANIES to give up seats on their Boards to Union Officials?

Question 4) was asking your opinion on the likely effect that all the experts have said would happen to the economy if an extreme Left Wing Labour Party was to Govern re: Investments, Pensions, property assets and our Children's future.

Thanks,

Newbank