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[1carus] 03/11/2020 16:50

I've been trying to protect my old folk during this pandemic. Problem is it them who are causing many issues to themselves. I could give many personal examples but it would do no good. We are all in lock down to protect the over 65's and a bunch of people with illnesses. What people arent getting is simply that these at risk people need to live a more isolated life until this goes away. The worst thing is simply visiting granny. Ok, you can't leave them on their own to go mad, but it would be wise to keep family contact down to one family member, the same one . Seeing a second member doubles their chances of catching something. Other than not seeing them at all, keeping contact down to one person is the safest thing you can do. Yes it's difficult, especially in the winter, but honestly, I can't get a table in cafe's or garden centres for the old folk meeting up there. Beggers belief!!!

[stonedyou] 03/11/2020 16:49

No accounting for superspreaders

Another subtlety not captured by Rt is that many people never infect others, but a

few 'superspreaders' pass on the disease many more times than average, perhaps

because they mingle in crowded, indoor events where the virus spreads more easily

— church services, choir practices, nightclubs and birthday parties, for instance.

As few as 10–20% of infected people seem to cause 80% of new COVID-19 cases, Leung

says. (Epidemiologists describe this using a ‘dispersion217; parameter, k’, which

depicts the variation in viral transmission among infected hosts). That means bans

on certain crowded indoor activities could have more benefit than blanket

restrictions introduced whenever the Rt value hits one.

[grahamite2] 03/11/2020 16:49

Whether Trump would be good for America is a matter of opinion. Obviously - there'd be no need for an election otherwise.

But there's no doubt he would be good for England. The Democrats have made it very clear that we're back of the queue if they get in.

[k38] 03/11/2020 16:47

M2 you know what is missing from the picture in the election challenge??Biden's coffin. Lol......

[stonedyou] 03/11/2020 16:45

And most experts say that the Rt for the United Kingdom is kept artificially high

by the very large numbers of infections and deaths in care homes for older people,

and does not reliably represent the risk to the general population.

[minerve 2] 03/11/2020 16:45

Alphorn

I'm not sure a Trump win will lift anything for long. Too unpredictable, unstable and mentally challenged - just like his admirers.

[k38] 03/11/2020 16:42

Poor minnie lol..don't start to celebrate too early just in case or you disappointed for a second time.

[alphorn] 03/11/2020 16:42

Whatever the outcome it will lift one unknown and that is positive (for how long I don't know).

[k38] 03/11/2020 16:39

M2If you vote just to replace a "loser" with another bigger loser... so what's the point of voting.

[minerve 2] 03/11/2020 16:38

Desperate posts from a broken generation.

Bye bye 👋👋

Hell awaits. :)

[jl5006] 03/11/2020 16:37

As a simpleton I ask why the R factor is so critical.
The available data only related to what trick and trace manages to identify.
It does not add in a dont know factor.
Is that why scientists were always seen as weirdos - bcos they only saw their world.
What is the point of mass testing Liverpool - bit like lucy in the sky with diamonds - dreaming - and logistically impossible -
what are these ppl?
And should 100% of the ppl test positive - then what/ And the test is 100% correct.
Total and absolute rubbish from the hierarchy of so said our NHS

[minerve 2] 03/11/2020 16:37

k38

So what.

Trump is history just like your ilk.

[grahamite2] 03/11/2020 16:36

Luckily the world has no say in the matter. But the fellows in Peoria and Abilene do.

[k38] 03/11/2020 16:35

He may pack his bags but.. The Q is what Biden has to offer to the ordinary Americans and all know the A.. big nothing.

[minerve 2] 03/11/2020 16:34

The world no longer wants The Twitter Clown.

[grahamite2] 03/11/2020 16:33

We all want to see Trump win, xxxy! Nigel has put 10 grand on him.

[stonedyou] 03/11/2020 16:32

But researchers remain concerned that R is looming too large, and is being used

for purposes for which it was never intended. “It’s not yet clear what actions

they are or are not taking on the back of R. But we are concerned because they’re

giving it such prominence,” says Woolhouse.

[stonedyou] 03/11/2020 16:27

To infectious-disease experts, Johnson’s focus on the reproduction number as a guiding light for policy was worryingly myopic. They worry about placing too much weight on R, the average number of people each person with a disease goes on to infect.

But fascination might have turned into unhealthy political and media fixation, say disease experts. R is an imprecise estimate that rests on assumptions, says Jeremy Rossman, a virologist at the University of Kent, UK. It doesn’t capture the current status of an epidemic and can spike up and down when case numbers are low. It is also an average for a population and therefore can hide local variation. Too much attention to it could obscure the importance of other measures, such as trends in numbers of new infections, deaths and hospital admissions, and cohort surveys to see how many people in a population currently have the disease, or have already had it.

“Epidemiologists are quite keen on downplaying R, but the politicians seem to have embraced it with enthusiasm,” says Mark Woolhouse, an infectious-diseases expert at the University of Edinburgh in the United Kingdom, who is a member of a modelling group that advises the British government on the pandemic. “We’re concerned that we’ve created a monster. R does not tell us what we need to know to manage this.”