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[xxxxxy] 23/12/2019 08:23

Our UnionBy JOHNREDWOOD | Published: DECEMBER 23, 2019I would like the Union of the United Kingdom to stay together. I only want volunteers in our Union.I thought it right for the UK Parliament to grant Scotland an Independence  referendum given the strength of feeling for independence in Scotland in 2014 and the successful political campaigning of the SNP. Before the vote I pledged that I would respect the result whichever way it went, and would in good faith have worked with my colleagues to secure as  smooth an exit as possible for  Scotland from the UK if they wanted to leave. The SNP for their part said they too would accept the verdict. All bought into the phrase the vote would be a once in a generation opportunity to decide Scotland's future. We also all agreed only Scottish voters would vote.Today the SNP are trying to renege on all those promises. They now say they want an early second referendum on the same subject. They see no need to accept the last verdict as they claim there has been a material change of circumstance.Their immediate argument is that as they won a majority of seats from Scotland in the UK Parliament on a ticket for independence it means opinion has shifted in Scotland so they should be able to try again. Yet in the last General election the SNP, the one party proposing independence, got 45% of the vote. This is exactly the same percentage as voted to leave the UK in the referendum. This is scarcely evidence of a major shift in Scottish opinion.Their other argument is Scotland voted to remain in the EU, so it should be allowed a vote to leave the UK to try and rejoin the EU. This is a curious argument, as Scotland voted to stay in the UK and part of staying in the UK was the acceptance that a decision like membership of the EU was clearly a decision for the whole UK, not a decision for parts of the UK to make differently.It is also difficult  to understand how they think it would work. The EU under Spanish influence would not be keen to foster independence movements within member states by offering Scotland, Catalonia, Padania and others easy entry into the EU as they left the UK, Spain, Italy and others. Presumably it would entail joining the Euro which the SNP have always been reluctant to propose.The SNP are not believers in full independence. In the referendum they wished to stay in the UK currency union and remain with the Queen. The muddle at the heart of their campaign remains. Are they really just wanting devo max or do they eventually want to be properly independent? How does that square with being a small member of the EU if the EU would have them?If I were a Scottish or English campaigner for independence I would want my country to have its own currency and not to be locked into the EU and Euro. That after all was what the UK referendum was all about, where I did campaign for my country, the UK, to be properly independent.

[donkeygphone] 23/12/2019 00:53

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[sentimentrules] 23/12/2019 00:21

That's 6 years in a row...

[knowing] 23/12/2019 00:19

Just been tipped for 2020

[sentimentrules] 22/12/2019 23:27

I guess nobody told minerve yet then...

[wendsworth] 22/12/2019 23:11

It won't be mitchy . I cannot see any reason to buy LLoyds at present. share price could well dip below 60p before Feb 20th is my take. Will go long once again when it does . Until then ..time for us all to take a well earned break with the family!

[mitchy] 22/12/2019 22:36

I wonder how attractive a quarterly dividend payment will be to the market and private punters .

[sentimentrules] 22/12/2019 21:27

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MikeOxard aka Rackers lost everything in his one and only ever trade which was in TERN.

Proper loser. Bought bitcoin in his head at 20,000 ! a calamity now living in a tent in Redcar. Calls me out then doesn't turn up three times. Disgrace of a person!

[sentimentrules] 22/12/2019 21:26

Imagine a forum where you needed the implanted chip to access it

Bet everyone's attitude would be totally different

[sentimentrules] 22/12/2019 21:24

It would shut down most listed companies too

[mr.elbee] 22/12/2019 21:24

it is NOT an ID card gotno.

you never need show it anywhere ever..unless at the usual intervals you want to vote.

[utrickytrees] 22/12/2019 21:16

Great idea,they could build in euthanasia into a microchip for non tax payers. Everyone gets an initial 25 years & you buy extra years of life according to how much tax you pay. That'd thin the Jocks out a bit.

[diku] 22/12/2019 20:47

Taking a sicky off from work when they are perfectly well...

[gotnorolex] 22/12/2019 20:38

Not for me maxk, but sooner or later science fiction becomes reality!
Human Microchipping: An Unbiased Look at the Pros and Cons
hxxps://www.freecodecamp.org/news/human-microchipping-an-unbiased-look-at-the-pros-and-cons-ba8f979ebd96/

[maxk] 22/12/2019 20:13

Be careful what you wish for gotno..

[sentimentrules] 22/12/2019 19:46

Should microchip the whole country. I don't see the issue. Probably reduce crime by 99% too

[gotnorolex] 22/12/2019 19:42

Less expensive than ID cards!
This article is more than 1 year old (You guys are behind the curve)
Alarm over talks to implant UK employees with microchips

[sentimentrules] 22/12/2019 19:33

It was an accident. Sure.

She then took off to avoid justice. It's that simple

Guilty.

[maxk] 22/12/2019 19:10

Well, for once I agree with Minny.

No way should she return and be thrown to the lions.

Cos that's what it will mean: Full on media blitz, activist lawyers and political judges. She has no chance of an even handed investigation and trial.


And before you say our judges are impartial .. look at the Supreme Court.