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[bargainbob] 19/12/2019 19:04

I think Scotland made the decision to become independent last Thursday. I don’t think we have realised that yet, but I think that’s what we’ve just done. I am not saying that people went to the polls and actively ticked a box hoping that would make us independent. Some did, but that is not the case for most of us yet. But the momentum now gathering in Scotland means that something shifted last Thursday. A combination of intentional decisions and uncontrollable political circumstances have created a Scotland that has now changed to its very core.
I strongly suspect that this is true. The fact is that many in England do not appreciate (partly because they have never been to Scotland and have not the slightest intention of ever doing so, but want a say in its affairs which they consider must be subordinate to their own, come what may) that Scotland does not want to become independent because of economics, party politics, oil (or its absence), spite, or anything else the English might imagine. It wants to be independent because it is an identifiable nation state that thinks quite differently from the country that is seeking to control it. And history shows that this, almost invariably, is a fact that leads to independence.

Johnson cannot make Scots want to be ruled from London. What he can do is increase their alienation. And like it or not, 48 SNP MPs will be a running sore for him that will distract him from his ‘English vision’. If he believes in that ‘vision’ he needs to be rid of Scotland or it will be a constant reminder of his failings. If I was him I would concede, and soon.m

[sentimentrules] 19/12/2019 19:03

Fair to say sturgeon does come across badly outside of own hardcore support.

I'm not so hard on Scotland itself..one of, if not the best Country in Europe in many ways.

[mikemichael2] 19/12/2019 19:01

We could always flog them Hadrians wall, then they can re-build it on the boarder!!!

[utrickytrees] 19/12/2019 18:59

The other half have Scottish heritage jl5.

[k38] 19/12/2019 18:33

Scotland is England and England is Scotland like the rest of the union.The union has one history and can't be separated.

[sentimentrules] 19/12/2019 18:29

I wonder why half of England is sensitive about Scottish independence though? Were not too bothered about India, N Ireland, Hong Kong etc

It has a special place in your hearts really. You would feel, as less, without it lool

[k38] 19/12/2019 18:20

I give Nikola Sturgeon till next election before the Scottish voters send her home.Independence Scotland and referendum will be her undoing.

[k38] 19/12/2019 18:16

Bob I just remember you telling me to remind you about this post..... 275775

[k38] 19/12/2019 17:57

"A strong independent Scotland" is a misleading political slogan and Nicolas Sturgeon campaign is more dangerous than Jeremy Corbyn's political campaign.

[patientcapital] 19/12/2019 17:57

You need to go to spec savers, Bob.A National Statistics Publication for Scotland.Scotland's net fiscal balance has improved for the third year in a row, according to statistics announced today by Scotland's Chief Statistician.Net Fiscal Balance 2018-19This is the difference between total revenue and total public sector expenditure including capital investment. The net fiscal balance:Including an illustrative geographic share of North Sea revenue, was a deficit of £12.6 billion (7.0% of GDP).Excluding North Sea revenue, was a deficit of £14.1 billion (8.5% of GDP).For the UK, was a deficit of £23.5 billion (1.1% of GDP).

[utrickytrees] 19/12/2019 17:27

Ofcourse it does Bobster, it's amazing what a country can achieve when as many as 10% of the population are net contributors to the public purse.

[sentimentrules] 19/12/2019 17:27

Oil will be screwed in a few years. North Sea not exactly raking it in anyway.

Bet Boris even wants a Scottish ref by then.

[bargainbob] 19/12/2019 17:23

Utricky

Just to get things clear . Scotland runs a balanced budget.

It is the part that is run by Westminister that is in deficit. Ie all civil servants in London , Scotlands pays , all infrastructure in England Scotland pays , Trident Scotland pays etc .

[k38] 19/12/2019 17:07

Anyway, no need to argue here... The Scottish debate is in "good hands"Lovely Laura (BBC) is against an independent Scotland.Lol...

[utrickytrees] 19/12/2019 17:06

Like the Clinton's running down the states when they've moved their money into China Crankie will be shorting the UK.

Its not even Scotlands oil,it belongs to the 66.4 M people of the UK, They can have 8% of basesd on population figures. If they want their overdraft scratching we'll have the lot and they'll have to give us all the gas fracking rights as well.

[pierre oreilly] 19/12/2019 17:01

mm2

You and that sturgeon woman are making the logical error of taking out a set of voters from a bigger set of voters and assume the smaller set would have voted the same way in a smaller set vote than it did in the bigger set vote. It's the sort of illogical nonsense politicians use for their own ends, disingenuously.

For example, some scots may vote differently in a scottish in/out eu vote than a uk in/out eu vote. (That's obvious isn't it?)

[mr.elbee] 19/12/2019 16:54

and ageing before our very eyes...have a close look at the photos.

That is exactly what happens when you lie and destroy your soul.Hilary is another one..and Bill.

[k38] 19/12/2019 16:53

Nikola Sturgeon, if she is a honest politician, must go to Brussels and ask under what economic and other conditions and how long they will have to wait before been accepted as a new member of EU... then comeback and tell the 45% Scottish people which they vote for them the truth. Brussels does not care about Scotland.. Brussels wants a deal with the UK as a union. Scotland, economically means nothing to Brussels, only expenses...