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[minerve 2] 25/3/2019 09:37

"If the people are to be trusted with the decision to leave before we know the terms of exit, why once we have that knowledge are they now suddenly disqualified and seemingly incapable of making the decision on whether the terms of exit meet their approval?"

- Tony Blair, Speaker's House Lectures, March 26th, 2018

[minerve 2] 25/3/2019 09:36

gbh2

Real men can stand in Brussels and influence results. Children are those that throw their toys out the pram and don't want to play the game!

[minerve 2] 25/3/2019 09:35

Only IN YOUR SMALL HEAD Shy Tott.

[gbh2] 25/3/2019 09:26

End Brexit, real men, oxymoron

Those that want the UK to Pay and Remain under the rule of the EU dictatorship lack the balls to be considered real men!

[minerve 2] 25/3/2019 09:22

End Brexit, if the idiots want to start a civil war let them. If they use the same intelligence in war as they do in peace it will be over in an afternoon. They are no competition for us real men.

[poikka] 25/3/2019 09:20

Corbyn rumours - they got it wrong, it was "moral" weakness, not muscle.

[gbh2] 25/3/2019 09:13

Biggest problem is that Parliament Loathes Change.

MPs and their ilk have their snouts in so many troughs they fear that Any kind of change may adversely affect some of their income streams!

Our whole electoral system and parliamentary rules were established to avoid sudden Change within parliament - Lets face it. if MPs do what they always done, they'll continue to get away with, what they always got away with - mainly our Cash!

[gotnorolex] 25/3/2019 08:58

Corbyn, 69, was forced to deny rumours last week which claimed he had told allies he would be resigning as leader of the Labour Party because he was 'tired and fed up'.

[bbalanjones] 25/3/2019 08:57

Black Beauty: A Recovering Quadruped. . . . . .

The thread for Wise Men of Brexitland. "We will fight them on the Beaches" etc etc.

Desperation and Madness rule, but it matters not as logic has NO bearing here.

[shy tott] 25/3/2019 08:55

Don't get drawn into nonsense from teflon or minerve2.The situation is simple.If you have a referendum, then you implement the result. That's democracy.If you don't implement it, then that is definitely not democracy.It's nothing to do with trusting the public or having more info later or guessing how people would vote now or 'undoing' a referendum result.It really is simple.

[xxxxxy] 25/3/2019 08:48

No Deal is the only way to seize the freedom to decide how to make a success of Brexit

“All official agencies, trapped in an echo chamber, are competing to paint the grimmest picture of economic consequences of a British exit from the European Union. They are straining so hard because their projected costs of exit have no basis in economic theory or empirical findings.”

But to oppose No Deal because there might be short-term costs is absurd. Those problems will be resolved and then we will be free to do as we want, to decide how to make Brexit work. If that means rejoining the Customs Union or declaring unilateral free trade or never trading with anybody ever again, then so be it: No Deal does not stop us doing any of those. Leaving with No Deal does not condemn us to inevitable economic disaster: how we leave – provided we actually leave – simply cannot determine whether Brexit will succeed. Leaving with No Deal is actually the only way of leaving that preserves every economic choice. It is the only way that gives the UK the freedom to decide how it will succeed. Why would anybody try to prevent that?

hxxps://brexitcentral.com/no-deal-way-seize-freedom-decide-make-success-brexit/

[cheshire pete] 25/3/2019 08:46

Minerve:"I've decided to go out tomorrow. When I made the decision I didn't know whether the forecast was for good weather, normal weather or bad weather. Whatever it is it won't stop me going out though, just wear appropriate clothing."

It's 3ft deep in snow, the road is covered with black ice, you hear reports of accidents on the roads you are due to travel, still going out in your swimming trunks?

You are such a simpleton it makes me wonder how the hell you have managed to get through life. You are definitely a tradesman. Only those types are simpletons who make money.

Still go out though....maybe x-country skis if snow deep enough lol.

[maxk] 25/3/2019 08:45

Theresa May is a chicken who's bottled Brexit. The only way forward is to come out of the EU now

By

Boris Johnson

24 March 2019 • 9:30pm

[pawsche] 25/3/2019 08:42

@grahamite2 - 23 Mar '19 - 19:40 - 252006

Pawsche, some excellent posts from you

...Smiles modestly...

but I think you're wasting your time. Remoaners like My Retirement Fund and RogerRail are ignorant and bigoted and quite unresponsive to any argument involving fact or logic.

I know... But it helps my blood-pressure better than Ramipril. :-)

[diku] 25/3/2019 08:27

All those who made arrangements for Independence day celebration party for the 29th March will be disappointed...

[xxxxxy] 25/3/2019 07:59

Who can delay our exit

By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: MARCH 25, 2019

This week I am told the government may ask Parliament to debate and approve a Statutory Instrument under the EU Withdrawal Act to delay the date it comes into effect. The government also says Brexit will be delayed by the EU Council offer to delay made to Mrs May. Some say EU law is still superior to UK law before the EU Withdrawal Act comes into effect and we therefore have to obey the Council offer.

I will oppose and vote against a delay SI. It also implies the UK government is not sure of its legal ground that it rightly wants Parliament to decide to delay. It clearly does not want to rely on the Council decision. There would at least be a conflict of laws if the UK Statute repealing all EU power on 29 March comes into effect whilst the Council assumes the delay is in force. Some will argue the whole point of the EU Withdrawal Act is to repeal The European Communities Act 1972 which is the foundation of all EU power over UK courts and government. What an irony if the EU tried to assert its own law over our very act of throwing off its powers.

To avoid legal doubt Eurosceptics advised the UK government to proceed to get us out under Treaty law by Article 50 and in domestic law by the EU Withdrawal Act. This latest ploy by Mrs May to sort of agree a delay runs the danger of muddling legal clarity. Parliament being full of Remain MPs may vote for delay to avoid testing this legal issue. It will only do so if Mrs May insists on this unpopular move against her own party, with many of us declining to support. She will need Labour votes to get it through. To be sure of delay the government will have to change UK law to do this.

[j2m] 25/3/2019 07:58

Hang on for another roller coaster week!

[patientcapital] 25/3/2019 07:58

"NO DEAL Brexit would be "a blessed release", a leading economist has claimed.Roger Bootle, chairman of Capital Economics, believes if the UK were to leave the EU without a deal, it would be "a lucky escape". Writing in the Telegraph, Mr Bootle felt there would be an "initial economic disruption" in the event of a no deal. However, he claimed the disruption would be "minor" and comparatively short-lived.Mr Bootle argued that after a no deal Brexit the agenda of negative stories would shift "as we realised that the sky hadn't fallen in"." Very similar to the Irish PM's view the other month.

[bargainbob] 25/3/2019 07:33

It looks like it’s time for the sandbags and the tin hat tae come oot again. There’s been yet another outbreak of the EsEnPeeCivil War, an on-off conflict which has the makings of reducing the Hundred Years’ War between the Houses of Plantagenet and Valois to a minor disagreement over the last remaining rouleau de saucisse at an early Greggs street stall in medieval Calais toon square.

Down in London to lend her support to the mass demonstration seeking the option for the ordinary citizens of the countries which make up the UK to get another shot at making their minds up about Brexit,Nicola Sturgeon, in amongst dozens of selfies she ends up in most working days, had her phoatie taken with Malcolm Tucker’s alter ego, the fictitious character known as Alastair Campbell. Light the blue touch paper and stand well back. Cue wailing, gnashing, calls for her to resign and loads of those drawn out ‘I’m leaving and never voting SNP again’statements on social media, sometimes from folk who ironically would rather vote for the party Campbell is associated with anyway, if only Jeremy Corbyn would stop pretending he is Ernie Wise with a beard but no chin.

Indeed Campbell, in his guise as fixer-in-chief and puppet-master of the ‘Things can only get better’ roadshow, during a period of time which entirely destroyed what was left of a once great movement for social change, a ‘modernisation’ where many personal former socialist nests were feathered, an era when it wasn’t entirely clear which of the political parties involved in the two-party Westminster stranglehold was the most neo-liberal in their policies, in a centrist orgy of the well –off getting better off (the less well off, they had Honest Tony’s cobra-like grin, tea and sympathy to console themselves with, when he could find a space in his diary to grudgingly empathise between acquiring prime city real estate and a vast wealth) is an unsavoury character.

His involvement in the smoke and mirrors spin leading up to, and into, the Iraq War is unforgiveable. That must surely sit heavily on his conscience. He is a man whose personal battles with his own demons have been well publicised over the years. He must live with his decisions, for surely they were his. We are all responsible for our own actions.

Lately Campbell has been very much involved, and vocal, in the campaign for a ‘People’s Vote’ on Brexit. Getting his photograph taken during a mass demonstration about that campaign with the only real plausible political leader around in the UK at the moment, a leader who agrees with him on this subject, and that is important for us to note (on this subject) I’d imagine from his point of view, and very possibly the First Minister’s too, helps raise the profile of that campaign, a campaign which is looking to bring about a second vote, a vote aimed at keeping the UK in the European Union, which, remember, is the democratic will of those who Nicola Sturgeon, as First Minister of Scotland, serves, the people of Scotland.

Her appearance at the march in London, and her speech, where she was honest in making it clear that she believes the future of Scotland is as an independent country but also made it known that she cares about the future of the remaining UK, as our neighbours, once we’ve gone, can only have won her friends in a country where ordinary people usually hear anything about Scottish independence through a filter of British nationalist media portraying us all as sinister separatists who don’t like them.

Politics is like that. Sometimes a political leader doing the ‘day job’ has to set aside her own feelings, her own views, for the sake of the bigger picture. Eyes on the prize folks. It’s coming, but only if we stick together. Don’t do the British state’s dirty tricks division’s job for them.

[minerve 2] 24/3/2019 23:47

stonedyou

Your argument is flawed because you are assuming the vote to leave carried the mandate of Hard-Brexit for ALL INVOLVED, which it obviously doesn't. It can't do if just one person has changed their mind - because Hard-Brexit is an unconditional view. No Hard-Brexit leave voter would change their minds on an unconditional view and so in many cases the Leave mandate didn't cover Hard-Brexit because people HAVE changed their minds. Hence your argument is flawed.

[jasierock] 24/3/2019 23:45

Indeed it is Min, sometimes its good to step back and whilst the kettle boils. I say, Aldi can fool you with their packaging can’t they?