Kier Share Discussion Threads

[stdyeddy] 07/6/2021 10:45

I had to make do with giving myself a pat on the back spartz since wallzo won't tell us who would pay for 'ramping'.

Big volume today -- I'm guessing this is due to everyone getting their margin accounts in shape so that they can buy the new shares. Sales being taken up easily by the look of things.

[sparty1] 07/6/2021 10:22

stdy
What did you spend your "ramping" earnings on this month? Maybe buy Wally a "sorry for your loss" card and a bunch of flowers.

[stdyeddy] 06/6/2021 14:47

I'm not sure how we missed this, but I don't think anyone here has commented on this large contract win for Kier (please let me know if we have -- I haven't found anything so far), originally mentioned in the construction press back In October. I think the award has just been formally published, even though delivery apparently began two months ago. The contract appears to be worth more than £500m over eight years between Kier and Tarmac.Kier did mention it in one line in the H1 results back in January.



It looks like a great contract win. If it's the same contract discussed in the construction press back in October, the contract area is:
North (£501m) – Tarmac/Kier JV (covering boroughs: Barking and Dagenham, Barnet, Brent, Ealing, Enfield, Haringey, Harrow, Havering, Hillingdon, Hounslow, Newham, Redbridge and Waltham Forest).

[wallywoo] 06/6/2021 12:37

Stdy, you have been posting these contract wins for 2 years now. Kier made 158p per share loss in the first year, and 168p per share loss last year with a revenue fall . (You can see from these losses that Kier can quickly spend this new cash raise). Anyone notice that Kier talk about much less losses in their headlines (because they don't acknowledge losses from businesses being discontinued - such a opaque / dishonest company!!).


When will you admit that these contracts make no difference to Kier as a investment, and stop doing it?? Continuing to do so is blatant ramping.


I have no doubt that they will make a loss this year too (the half year results were just window dressing for the equity issue). And in deed if you look at the p+l rather than the headlines, they made a £54m loss in H1. Such a opaque/dishonest company!!

[stdyeddy] 06/6/2021 00:26

Happy to see that our favourite construction firm is still building residential of various sorts and of course still winning contracts:

Colchester Borough Council has signed a £9.56m contract with Kier Eastern for the construction of new sheltered housing.

[imastu pidgitaswell] 05/6/2021 13:00

More than happy to keep bringing this back up sparty, if you want to keep provoking - you never read it anyway. But at least others can see how clueless you are:



plus the next two.


Truly you are a DUP man to the core, along with the creationist leader they just appointed. Detail, context, contrary opinions, facts, quantification... Might as well be a foreign language to you.

Never surrender. 🙄

[sparty1] 05/6/2021 12:13

An "experienced investor" who claimed kier was a sell at 42 pence and going into admin.
The COST board better hope you do not lend them your experience over there.At least there are not cost holders ramping them on here anymore. Gone very quiet.

[wallywoo] 04/6/2021 21:59

Lol, trading shares is not a commitment. You buy, you see how they behave, and you react accordingly. It makes me laugh that the ramping team here are so desperate to discredit me. Even more amusing that the very same person that was buying my tip (fxpo that 5 bagged in 12 months, Stdy bgt on my lead), is the person trying to do the discrediting!!!


You concentrate on that one buy (I actually bgt and sold it multiple times, only small to create some pocket money), but ignore my tips for fxpo (which you bgt at 125 and sparty had the nerve to say it was all his idea!!), BP at 200p, cey at 103, jkx at 19, etc etc. I take risks because that's where you make money, but I won't buy shares that have disappointed for 6 years, have a terrible balance sheet and constantly ask shareholders for more money.

I am a experienced investor, who thinks this stock is not only dishonest (they are opaque with news, deceive on debt figures, mislead with supposed profits), but is infested with BB posters who post no where else and ramp the pants off it.

Kier will continue to disappoint, because these stocks are all the same (Carillion, Interserve, Jarvis, Connaught). Once their balance sheets are in trouble they become money pits. Kier is no exception.

[stdyeddy] 04/6/2021 19:47

Another schools project awarded to our favourite construction firm (one of hundreds of these little low-risk contracts for the UK's largest regional construction business).


Kier has been appointed by Sunderland City Council to create a new £12.5m special educational needs (SEN) school for disabled children

wally, your utter failure to learn from recent events makes me wonder if you might've benefitted from a special educational needs school yourself. I suspect that you were probably too old by the time these schools became commonplace. Did you spend a lot of time at school standing in the corner with a lice-ridden dunces hat on? That would explain a lot of your bitterness and refusal to acknowledge things which are obvious to everyone else. Anyway, have a great weekend in your stained undercrackers wollo-plop-plops. I think it would be a great if your carers could encourage you to put on clean clothes so that they can take you out for a slow shuffle around the park. A little fresh air blowing through your empty skull might blow some of those stubborn kier-must-die cobwebs out your ears.

[stdyeddy] 04/6/2021 19:23

wollo-chops, so you 'traded' HUR but only for a week? But you said, "Think they will sort themselves out in the next 6 months. Jumping in at 6.14. Who knows where the bottom is, but prepared to ride it out. It is oil after all!."

So were you lying again when you said to everyone on the HUR thread that you were 'prepared to ride it out...'?? You don't have to be shy about admitting it; we all know you lie all the time...

As for Kier's full-year results -- what do you mean, they have been in lockdown? Kier has been open everywhere! H1 was the first profit in 4 quarters. H2 will continue that trend -- the period of big writedowns is over. When the market sees this, the shares will rise significantly. And you will be wrong AGAIN!! But you're still predicting the end of Kier even though Davies has done everything he said he would, to turn the business around. You are stupid and perverse. And now you're accusing all the other investors of being nuts. I think we all know who the lunatic is, wally-nuts.

You said KL would NEVER be sold, and you said Kier would NEVER be able to raise cash from investors again. Both WRONG. The firm has £330m cash coming in and has cut costs, and reorganised the business. Turnover actually increased for H1 and Davies said that the positive trends were continuing this year. Since he is the ceo and remarkably shy about blowing his own trumpet, always rushing out any bad news and crashing the shareprice, I'd say he's a lot MORE LIKELY TO BE RIGHT THAN YOU!!. The recent news and events show that the corner has been turned. I am looking fwd very much to seeing the full-year update, AND seeing Kier elbow its way back into the FTSE250!!! What a second half we're going to have!!!

[wallywoo] 04/6/2021 17:17

How could their year end update be good? Turnover was down 10 percent in H1, they have been in lockdown for most of H2, they have said nothing about trading to date (always a bad sign). Inflation and shortages are hitting hard. And of course they are tapping shareholders for as much cash as they possibly can.


They have lost cash every period, including £44m in H1, when there was a shorter period of lockdown. If they are lucky they will only lose a similar amount which will mean the KL sale just pays for 2020/21 cash spend.

Yes I traded Hur, no I never held longer than a week (and no stamp duty). It had some great moves, still does, but ultimately will be worth 0p, just like Kier (with stamp duty)!!!

Shares to hold for the long term and shares to trade are very different things. I have never tipped it because it is a volatile trade.


Are investors on here nuts?? How come Leon, you only post on here and your profile has been dormant for months??

[leonthelion] 04/6/2021 17:03

Regarding the ftse 250 discussion earlier, if Kier's trading update in July/Aug is good, the timing will be perfect for the shareprice to get to £2 and Kier to join the index a few weeks later. Funds buying will produce momentum through to the H1 report and it could be flying for a few months. DYOR.

[wallywoo] 04/6/2021 16:26

Anyone who buys a share that has fallen 90 percent, lost over 100p per share for each of the last 2 years, and issued 459 percent more shares to stay afloat in 2.5 years is a complete idiot.


Unfortunately, there are multiple people (with alternative agenda's) on BB's trying to shift those shares. C'est la vie!!!

Here's a tip for you, buy your Kier equity issue shares, sell the lot in 2 weeks for whatever you can get. Put it in to OMI. Your 300p a share average and new shares will be in profit by the end of the summer. Stay here and you will be waiting a very long time.

[ontheforks] 04/6/2021 16:20

Hey wally
I believe a wise man once said
"you've got nothing to say
And you're saying it to loud" I've noticed your now calling people idiots for investing in kier reckon adv need to stop with nicknames on here and make people put there real names then we might see a little less of the keyboard warrior type...... Good luck longs 👍🏻

[wallywoo] 04/6/2021 16:17

It's near a train station now (Sandy) direct to London. Question was whether a new line in 10 years time with stations 15 miles away in Bedford and St Neots will add to value. Answer is no since they can't sell it now and have been unable to for 2 years.


Who wants office blocks??

[leonthelion] 04/6/2021 16:04

All properties near to a new train station gain in value, often by a lot.

[wallywoo] 04/6/2021 15:49

They have been trying to sell Tempsford Hall for 2 years. The last 12 months it has been completely empty and they have been trying to rent it out.I doubt very much a new rail line scheduled to be built and ready in 10 years will make much difference.

[stutes] 04/6/2021 15:34

BBC Look East programme concentrated on East West line ((Cambridge to Oxford). If the line is near to Sandy, will it mean K's Tempsford Hall gains in value?

[wallywoo] 04/6/2021 14:00

As I have said before the only thing I am wrong about here is investors appetite to put more money into this money pit. There's some really daft investors out there. That's why this now reminds me of Jarvis (2 RI's, a debt for equity, then bust). We are half way through that.


The equity issue is the only reason they are not bust now. Just as the one 2.5 years ago is the only reason they weren't bust 2 years ago. 459 percent more shares, I ask you, nightmare!!!! They have raised £491m in cash for paper in 2.5 years (and still worth only just that much), laughable really. And you idiots think this will make you rich!!


I have zero doubt Kier will lose cash in H2, just as they did in H1, and every year for 5 years before that.


What happens then will be interesting. But the share price is going nowhere. OMI up 4.8 percent since I mentioned it 3 hours ago!!

[wallywoo] 04/6/2021 13:10

Ftse 250 gets reshuffled today and shows up on Wednesday, I think (it has not been reshuffled since March). There are lots of companies that will fall out and into the index. The cut off is likely to be around £900m market cap.


With 175 percent (284m) more shares in Kier coming on the market in 2 weeks, there's no chance in hell their share price will rise for the next reshuffle (September) or any for the foreseeable.


This profit forecast is a myth. Kier have generated (and in deed lost cash) for every period for 5 years. The share price is only going one way and that's down.

[bluedaycoming] 04/6/2021 12:50

No wallywoo, you are incorrect. Bottom two of the ftse250 are Foresight Solar FSFL, mkt cap £596m and JLEN Environmental, mkt cap £617m. With 446m shares at 140p, KIE would have a market cap of £624m which would also beat the third lowest ftse250 company, Provident Financial's mkt cap of £618m currently. Your facts are wrong. I suspect your prediction will be likewise.