Kier Share Discussion Threads

[wallywoo] 03/6/2021 10:16

I am doing nothing of the kind pl, I am stating why Kier is still extremely high risk. And getting personally attacked for it.


The reason why you are not attacking the facts I present is because they are all true. Surely if Kier was such a great investment they would be easy to counter???

[wallywoo] 03/6/2021 10:08

I have said for 2 years that Kier will need more money, you have said they won't. They have issued 175 percent more shares, otherwise they would be bust.I am arguing that is still a long way from being enough. They have less assets and less cash than 2 years ago even after the new shares start trading.You are merely trying to bully cynics off the BB, because that's your job. You never argue on the facts I present and just attack the person.

[ontheforks] 03/6/2021 10:05

Wally you sound like a typical remainer lefty unable to except reality play the victim at any opportunity whilst trying to force your opinions on people I'm all for hearing both sides of an argument whether I like the facts or not but you pal have shown exactly what you are all about continually advising people not to invest sell up don't get involved with this rubbish etc etc and tbh I'm tired of your bulxxxxt

[johnbuythedips] 03/6/2021 09:58

You sold at 50p all the way up to 120p and claimed you never lost money. You are a liar and I am surprised the Kier legal team have not warned you off. You have been slandering the business for over 2 years.

[wallywoo] 03/6/2021 09:28

So tell me forks, why don't posters on this BB accept the concept of a cynical poster?? Why do you attack them and think they are liar's?


It's important to see both sides. Kier has many many weaknesses as a investment. Why won't you discuss them?? Why do you attack the person every time not the facts they present??

[ontheforks] 03/6/2021 09:15

Playing the victim again wally it's nothing to do with your opinion on the company it's your constant lies that people don't expect and the way you try to generate negativity to share holders in an attempt to get them to sell its a pity the Internet has given people like you somewhere to hide as I suspect in real life it would be a different story

[wallywoo] 03/6/2021 08:53

It's funny just as many shares go down as up. Kier has trended down for 6 years and issued 459 percent more shares but, posters on this BB refuse to accept a poster who thinks Kier's share price will fall.


With 446m shares, to have a share price of £3, Kier with large negative assets (-£300m) and everything to prove (still yet to generate any cash for 5+ years) would be worth nearly as much as BBY (with over +£500m net tangible assets and 2-3x Kier's current revenue and a long history of good shareholder returns).


It's the rampers that are stating complete fiction, not me. The most optimistic view is that the share price will be around 85p in 6 months and could be much lower.

[pl dil] 02/6/2021 22:08

Come on Wally know it all , where do I apply for the job of paid ramper ?

Kier , 300p by Xmas ... put that on my application form.

[sparty1] 02/6/2021 17:58

wally

"I remember Interserve and Carillion".. Jees . Like Uncle albert in fools and horses "During the war"

[sparty1] 02/6/2021 17:50

calling for suspension and an inability to trade the shares while running shorts might be a clue to the veracity of that declaration. Does not make sense.

[wallywoo] 02/6/2021 16:32

I reckon he was dropped on the head as a baby. Paraplegic, bitter and twisted. Low IQ.Shame really. Don't worry johnbuythelosers, the nurse will be along to change you soon.

[johnbuythedips] 02/6/2021 15:13

Just checking in only to see the troll who sold 50's/58's and then all the way up to 120p and never lost a dime is still spouting his bile. #
Yes he is - I think he must be mentally ill.
How was your dry lunch from the food bank Wally?
Keep the faith longs - the pressure was when the institutions were selling hard in the 40's and Wally liar was calling for a suspension. We have nearly trebled in price since then and he is still at it. Like MasturPig - the very bad smell at the party. Is Zico still short at 78p. Three massive losers.
Kier is way way beyond those dark days. HOLD and ENJOY

[pl dil] 02/6/2021 14:48

And does anyone know how I go about applying for a job as a paid tamper please.

[stutes] 02/6/2021 13:07

hxxps://constructionmanagermagazine.com/timber-shortages-set-to-worsen-in-q3/

[stutes] 02/6/2021 11:52

The Construction Manager publication reports timber shortage is set to continue.

[sparty1] 02/6/2021 10:58

lol..wally still on about paid rampers..
Why don`t you demons of the balance sheet take a look at why despite being in a much healthier condition than kier,( according to you) COST shareprice has been languishing at circa 58p?
To come on here and say Kier is over valued on all known facts but not apply the same principles to a competitor is ludicrous.
No apology then wally. I`ve come to the conclusion you just like the attention.
You also fail to realize there is more to investment than looking at the accounts ,although that is a good starting point. You very often have to invest in the man not just the company.
As for paid rampers..!!
Who is paying? Why?To whom? Is it taxable...?Utter nonsense.

[wallywoo] 02/6/2021 09:34

Saga and Kier are in very different sectors. Since the Connaught and Jarvis days, I investigated why some builders/ construction companies lost cash while others made it.


I came to the conclusion that for a £2b+ a year turnover business they need a critical capital of (-£100m) net tangible assets to generate cash. Otherwise they would continue to lose cash whatever they did. The better the net assets the more reliable the return. The larger the turnover the more tangible net assets they needed.


This has proven true with every company I have encountered in this sector. Let's see over the next year whether it proves true yet again.

[petersw1] 02/6/2021 09:03

Ok, I see the short tracker on lse missed the change to below 0.5%. They are still net long though and increasing their long stake through the raise.

[imastu pidgitaswell] 02/6/2021 08:49

Yes, cash matters, as posted quite a few times, and as all their competitors have - which is why I stayed away in the first place, having considered it. It's in a better (or less bad) place now after the sale and the raise.

Much of the decision comes down to risk - I mentioned SAGA here before. Back in November, after the raise and the settling of that, and after the vaccine news, I bought in - risk vs reward. If I had just looked at the financials, and the cash drain (which continues through to today) I would have avoided it. It is now 3 times higher (and I'm out) - but the risk:reward in mid-November was worth it. Now (for me), not so much.

Personally, here, I prefer safer still - but it's no longer a definite avoid, and others fancy the risk.