Kier Share Discussion Threads

[wallywoo] 04/6/2021 12:37

Kier need a share price north of 200p to enter the ftse 250, the smallest of which have a mkt cap around £900m!!!When the new shares come on the market the share price will fall. It has zero chance of getting anywhere near it.

[bluedaycoming] 04/6/2021 12:16

Kier paid dividends for years. CEO says they will pay out a third of profits in divis. Profit forecast is 3.5% of £4bn+. It remains to be seen whether they will get there. Full yr update will probably be a pointer.

If share price gets to 140p kie will probably re-enter the ftse250 and get picked up by funds. Could happen fast. Next reshuffle for the indexes is mid September. That will add momentum. I don't see this going down.

[tnt99] 04/6/2021 12:05

Well my investment is 150 percent up at the moment and I expect the share price to double from here new contracts HS2 work and debt problems have all been conqueredThe only way is up baby Woodford new that if he wasn't forced to sell

[wallywoo] 04/6/2021 11:17

Here's my proof, where is yours Sparty?? Lots of posts on fxpo BB too, along with Stdy buying at that time; there's also my jkx tip of a Month ago up 40 percent this week alone. Just Kier left standing, because it is a poor investment!!! Want one that has yet to rise - OMI. Fres and cey both buys Today too.


"wallywoo - 04 Nov 2019 - 14:42:08 - 9886 of 21973Kier Group 2005 - The Building Business - KIEHey Stdy, just been jumping in on FXPO, 50% retrace in 6 - 8 weeks, looks well overdone. Don't expect it to remain static. Likely to have significant excess cash to return to shareholders.
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[sparty1] 04/6/2021 10:46

I tipped fxpo wally ...selective memory?

[stdyeddy] 04/6/2021 09:06

Silly wolly. I'm not 'ramping', I'm merely contradicting you, a proven fraud and a liar. And diddums!! Is poor lickle wolly feeling 'bullied' by evil eddy? Go back to bed then you nitwit.

As for your 'true facts', yes wolly, Kier, like EVERY OTHER BUSINESS, has to pay suppliers and has lenders and makes pension contributions and pays taxes. And all of those amounts are very manageable today, unlike many other businesses. The pensions are in surplus, in aggregate. The HMRC deferment (taken by most construction businesses btw) was paid down and has almost certainly been paid off at this point, the lenders are probably worried that they are going to lose Kier's interest stream and will be very keen to retain Kier's business, and supplier financing has been reducing ever since Davies took over -- he has said they are phasing it out.

You have been told all of this many times but you will continue to ignore it, because you just want to say that Kier is doomed, no matter what the facts say. And then you say that 'we're all here to make money' except that you aren't. You are here to rave like a lunatic all day and try to get the attention of normal people. I suspect that you are a bored, lonely, vindictive and nasty old man, sitting in your soiled underpants, banging away at a manky laptop which should have a health and safety warning on its keyboard, encrusted with your foul secretions. Have a great day weirdo. Oh, and be careful with that £500k -- lol -- don't do anything careless with it like put a £389k 'short' on kier at 81p that then loses you £200k. Don't even imagine it wolly-pants. 😊

[wallywoo] 04/6/2021 08:51

Lol, what price was Kier when you first started ramping it in May/June 19 Stdy? 130p, 140p more? In that time shareholders have been tapped for more money, received no dividends and lost capital.


Just because it has bounced off a all time low doesn't mean their troubles are over. They have escaped going bust and having a unsustainable relief rally, that's it. Still losing cash each period, still with a long line waiting for shareholders money (lenders, HRMC, pension, supplier finance etc).


You attack the person because the facts I present are true and you are trying to bully me off the BB. Didn't work 2 years ago, won't work today!!!


Why don't you try ramping a stock that has a chance of going up???? Kier is not it!!!

[stdyeddy] 04/6/2021 08:33

errr... wolly, you surely must've noticed that Kier has trebled since November. A 300% increase in seven months. You are the one who is clueless, constantly saying that black is white. Your predictions have proven to be completely wrong here for seven months. You should really give up trying to be an 'expert'. Anyone can see that you're actually just an attention seeking nutjob. Btw, I don't give people 'tips'. That's everyone else's job. 😊

The worst thing about you though wolly, is that your motives are dishonest. Constantly lying about your positions, gulling people into giving up their shares while saying how certain you are that Kier won't go over £1 and that you'll apologise to everyone if it does, and then reneging on that very public promise. And constantly calling all the investors on here 'paid rampers' to try and justify your dishonesty. You lie so frequently and so glibly that no one here believes anything you say.

As for finding 'one problem with your points', you have been contradicted, corrected and proven wrong a million times on here but you just ignore our points and constantly repeat your mantra of 'kier is doomed'. Everyone here presents 'points' that are positive and negative for Kier, but you only misrepresent and lie. That's why I and others confront you and call you a liar. You're not being attacked. We are merely upholding the truth.

And btw, the regulars here all agreed in 2019 that it would take Kier two years to drag itself out of the hole. We have been patient, and Kier's time has come. The next seven months are likely to see big increases in the Kier share price, especially after year-end and January/February's H1 reporting when the market re-rates Kier's prospects. You conveniently forget that Kier's share price was around 1200p about 2.5 years back. It won't go that high with more shares in issue but £3-£4 is within reach in my view.

[wallywoo] 04/6/2021 07:27

Lol Stdy, I have given you tips that have 5 bagged in a year (fxpo -: you bgt it yourself) BP up 40 percent with 5 percent dividends in 6 months (more than that if you bgt nearer the bottom than me). I have been on advfn for well over 20 years. What have you given us, Kier who has done nothing for 2 years, and tapped shareholders for more money (you have said 1000 times it will multi bag in that time, has no debt problems, and will pay a dividend). I vaguely remember you saying to short lookers (look) at 30p (now 68!), Buy metro lol.

What a surprise, you are attacking the person not the facts they present. Are all you rampers sooo clueless that you can't find 1 problem with my points / facts??


Kier will fall when the new shares come on the market. With nothing to look forward to (no likely good news). The share price has risen to unsustainable levels with no cash generated in a market that is also likely to fall. No builder has ever recovered from financial troubles. They may take another 6-12 months before it becomes obvious that Kier still can't generate any cash. They have everything to prove, and history says they won't. They have been a poor investment for 6 years and will continue to be.

[ontheforks] 04/6/2021 07:23

Hahaha wally Woodford the Internet millionaire you know what wally I've got three giraffes and a tiger in my jewell encrusted mansion and I don't really work in construction I'm actually a billionaire rocket scientist who goes around these boards trying to get people to invest all there money by claiming to be an expert on investment....... You see how easy it is to make up bulxxxxt like yours hahaha 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 I'm wally I'm helping 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

[1953bloke] 04/6/2021 06:08

Anybody: What will happen to the share price when the new shares are listed?
Should I take up my entitlement? (I am down 40% on this investment before the new issue)
All thoughts and suggestions welcome.
(Sorry if this is in the wrong place. Never understood these chats and threads.)

[stdyeddy] 03/6/2021 19:16

Errr... wolly, about this £500k that you 'have in the markets...' Is it the same kind of stuff as the £389k that you had 'short' on Kier at 81p?? Does it have the same kind of value as your '...promise to heartedly apologize if it rallies above 100 (in addition to being poorer)!!'? Is it as dependable as your 'job' that you claimed to have as an 'IT contractor' that you were sad about being made 'redundant' from, last year during covid (even though contractors don't get made redundant; their contracts are cancelled/not renewed) or your 'family business' in construction materials?

And this 'trading shares for 35 years...' is that also like your £389k short on Kier? Is it that sort of trading? The kind you do with no money? How come you're here all day on a share where you now claim that you have no investment, while your '£500k' [lol] is blowing around on the stockmarket without your wise words 🤣😂🤣 to support it with your usual hilarious guff? In other words, is your '£500k' totally made-up like everything else you've ever told us? I'm just wondering if it's actually £500k of mental illness, flying around in your empty skull like a tornado of imaginary paper.

[zicopele] 03/6/2021 17:57

What type is a Brexiteer or remainer? I did not know half the population could be typecast.

[sparty1] 03/6/2021 17:56

Ok I get it Wally
You are actually a very sad depressed person possibly disabled who desperately needs attention to make their day tick over.
Peter is quite right .All are aware of the share situation. All could sell now and pick them up cheaper if they wish if current holders .The true picture will emerge upon admission of all the new shares. Same situation as IAG`s rights..

Wally you are feeding off these boards..get a hobby. Try helping a local charity.
People like RayFenn are desperate for community care..He has a compulsion to lie..
and is a "special person" with the IQ of a 3 year old.

[wallywoo] 03/6/2021 16:44

Lol forks, I have noticed you are more and more aggressive against cynics. The losses you have made here are massive. Shouldn't you start to listen to us and be a little more humble??


Since I have been posting on here the share price is down and 175 percent more shares issued!! I have over £500k in the markets and have been trading shares for 35 years. This is extremely unlikely to make any money for a very long time, if ever. It reminds me more and more of Jarvis, that was a BB favourite for a decade, had 2 ri's, a debt for equity, then went bust. Took nearly 8 years to do it. There has never been a failing builder that has recovered massively from financial troubles and multi bagged. It's a huge long shot, much better putting money on a 100:1 horse on the grand national!! ::

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Ontheforks - 18 Mar 2020 - 12:54:59 - 13618 of 21959My shares started at £17.00 eddy I've got just over three thousand so just to break even I need around three quid lol I just need kier to stay afloat so I have a chance at getting my money back eventually so I'm here for the long haul I see all these negative posts about no divvy but surely if you have money buying a share at 70p then selling at £1.40 is better than a few quid from a divvy twice a year or am I missing something. ". !!!

[zicopele] 03/6/2021 16:30

Because they can be traded for one.

[petersw1] 03/6/2021 16:28

How condescending.
And not an answer to my question.

The market became aware of the exact number of new shares on the 13th May and had been aware of an upcoming raise months before that. Anyone slightly informed knows that buying a share since the 14th May is in effect giving them 1/446m th of the company.

Why would that suddenly start to matter more on the 18th June than it already matters now?

[zicopele] 03/6/2021 16:13

You still haven't explained what Brexit has to do with Kier share price?

But I know what you mean about the financials. Longs hate talking about the financials because they look so grim.

[wallywoo] 03/6/2021 16:12

Peter do you understand what you own with a share?? Currently if you own 1 share you own 1/162m th of the company.


When the new shares are trading you will own. 1/446m th of the company.


Can't you see why the shares will be worth less?? In addition to the theory of demand and supply.


Not only that you also have a share price that is more vulnerable to market weakness. Since the none dividend paying shares with a huge amount of shares in issue always get marked down lower when a market correction comes.

[petersw1] 03/6/2021 15:54

Given the market is already fully aware of the coming large increase in shares, why wouldn't it already be pricing that in?
Maybe a shake out of any nervous longs and a bit of profit taking wouldn't be surprising but I don't see much reason for a major change in price until material news arrives.
Perhaps in the form of an end of financial year trading update on 1st July?

What do the "cynics" think the uptake of the open offer will be?

[ontheforks] 03/6/2021 15:44

I've noticed on here the difference between positive and negative posters a positive poster will make a comment ask people there opinions and generally discuss the price of shares there opinions about the company the directors etc etc but the negative posters come on and lecture people advise them financially and when they get countered another one appears but instead of having individual discussions they back each other up and between them decide what is best for investors and the company then when proved wrong on many occasions dissappear for a while only to come back with the same bulxxxxt time after time.... Change my mind... Good luck longs 👍🏻

[petersw1] 03/6/2021 14:54

The price hasn't been below 108.8 since the ex-entitlement date for the open offer.
The simplest explanation would be market demand.