Kier Share Discussion Threads

[stdyeddy] 07/6/2021 16:35

Thanks peter. Yes it was discussed, but wally likes to say the same falsehoods again, and again, and again, and again... For two years we've had to put up with this boring twerp.

[stdyeddy] 07/6/2021 16:32

All there in black and white from over two years ago wallo-chops. Six months ago, the aggregate deficit is just £1.4m. No need to get excited. Kier continues upward, thank you very much.

[petersw1] 07/6/2021 16:31

I pretty sure the pension deficit was already quite fully discussed here not all that long ago. Yes, on 31 March 2019 the triennial valuation showed a 218.1 deficit. The latest accounts (31 December 2020) show a 1.4m deficit.

[wallywoo] 07/6/2021 16:20

Page 48 of the equity issue prospectus, Stdy. Has the latest actuarial valuation of the pension. £218m deficit.


All there in black and white. Kier have some weird accounting dodge that means they don't have to show it on their accounts.

[stdyeddy] 07/6/2021 16:12

jeez! You really are shameless with the lies, aren't you wallzo? Pensions overall are in deficit by a tiny £1.4m in aggregate. The Kier pension has a surplus of £62m. A couple of the others are in deficit. Since the stockmarket has bounced back since the last valuation, I imagine the pensions will all be in surplus at the next valuation.

There is no huge hole, other than the one between your ears.

[wallywoo] 07/6/2021 16:02

£218m pension deficit. Keep buying those shares, forks. Kier needs all the money it can handle to fund that huge hole.


This money pit is much bigger than I thought. Honestly how can anyone believe this company will ever have any cash to pay to shareholders??? Not 1 word mentioned in the accounts which shows no deficit. LOL, Kier's opaqueness is mind blowing!!

[ontheforks] 07/6/2021 15:26

Hahaha 😂 😂 wally wally wally I see I was right about you I asked you a simple question and straight away you play the victim card whataboutry is not an answer and as I've stated I've been buying shares all the way through and I've worked out my average is down to £1.40 now I've got around 7.5k of shares in a sipp which won't be tax free for another five years I've just bought 6k odd at 85p which I can sell at anytime when they become tradeable all of which can be found in my posts on here nobody should take anything you say seriously

[wallywoo] 07/6/2021 14:39

Peter, I did a rough calculation in my head with the prospectus main shareholdings. They showed 51 percent owned pre equity issue, and 38 percent owned post.


That's a big gap, as I say smells a bit off

Anyone see the £218m pension deficit in there (page 48 of the prospectus) they kept that one quiet (I understand now why there was a large hit on H1 p+l for pensions which put them into losses)!!! Shareholders come bottom of the list of a long queue for money, and are top of the list to give them money!!!

[wallywoo] 07/6/2021 14:17

There's legal ownership, then there is reality. When lenders have 5x the money in a company, they call the shots. It's the lenders that have forced Kier to a equity issue. And there's something very suspicious about it's supposed success.Like most matters with Kier, we will get to know in a few months. Still could be a new low in the share price this year IMO.

[stdyeddy] 07/6/2021 14:11

YOU WILL MAKE ME A BET??!!!! Who would make a bet with you, when you can't even live up to a promised apology and you tell elaborate lies for months on end about having a short position???!!! Shut up wolly, you're an idiot.

And btw, lenders do not own Kier; shareholders do. And that's despite you're wildest dreams and pointless scaremongering.

[petersw1] 07/6/2021 14:08

Wally, the prospectus already lists the expected positions of the major shareholders. Not a huge amount of room for speculating there.

[wallywoo] 07/6/2021 14:04

Lol, I will make you a bet that the new lenders agreement will be well in excess of £500m -£600m facility (and have a very large agreement fee). Lenders still largest owner of Kier, and will continue to be until the end.

[stdyeddy] 07/6/2021 14:00

You smell off to me, and probably to everyone else. Change your underpants. And wash your hands. New share ownership will be revealed mid-month. No mystery. The lenders are now relegated to a small part in the Kier story; you can stop banging on about them.

[sparty1] 07/6/2021 13:48

Any Hurricane investors on here? lol..


"Jumping in at 6.14. Who knows where the bottom is, but prepared to ride it out. It is oil after all!."


Guess who? Current price 1.23...
Now wally, that was a share to short! No doubt you cleverly traded your way out of it and made a fortune.

[stdyeddy] 07/6/2021 13:43

Equity raise was over in NINE HOURS. The old management needed three weeks and still left the underwriters with most of the shares. This time the new equity was placed straightaway. Also the price is holding up. THE SHARES HAVE BEEN OVERSUBSCRIBED. Hedgies have indeed been kept at bay -- only blackrock visible with 0.51%. It seems that the shorters will be disappointed.

I see that wolly is playing the 'none of your business' answer to the Kier employees. Well, since we have an interest here, and since you are regularly libelling this business and telling lies here, I think that makes it everyone's business. You will get caught wolly. Meanwhile, THE SHAREPRICE IS DOING THE TALKING. 😊

[marksp2011] 07/6/2021 13:35

First visit to this board for months

SAme posters posting the same twaddle.

i am sure Kier is going bust but it has been one of my best ever trading stocks.

Like the open offer.....so much safer than a rights and keeps the hedgies at bay.

@Zicopele

In the database you will have 2 posts
the post you made and an edit post of "."
Please don't think it goes away it doesn't as discovered by some sued over langbar.

[wallywoo] 07/6/2021 12:14

Lol forks, it's none of your business what position I have. It is just a tactic played by the many rampers on this BB to bully cynics off it.


Will you apologize forks for saying how successful your investment here is when you admitted on one of your very first posts that your average is over 300p???


I have no doubt this will continue to be a nightmare investment. There's 175 percent more shares coming on the market in 2 weeks and we don't know if 1 credible new long investor will be part of it. Costain had a known large investor (with a UAE builder taking 25 percent of the new shares) in deed most new equity issues had one. Seems very suspicious.


That means risk risk risk!!!!

[ontheforks] 07/6/2021 12:05

I see wally Woodford was busy over the weekend and still taking the high ground on here even though he's got no credibility and brands everyone on here as being paid to ramp the share price
Wally apologise for lieing to people about your shorts which you claimed to have opened but lost no money as the share price went higher every time then claimed you lost no money then apologise for miss leading people by getting them to sell there shares with your constant bombardment of false claims against kier admit your only here to help yourself and no one else and maybe then we might take you seriously remember wally we see you

[stdyeddy] 07/6/2021 11:51

Am merely flattered by the influence that you think I have wallo-plops. On that basis, it appears that I've totally thrashed you. lol.

[itisonlymoney] 07/6/2021 11:38

The sound of sour grapes.

[wallywoo] 07/6/2021 11:25

(to the tune of Nelly the elephant)Stdy the ramper went to market to try and trick Investors. Off he went with a voice in his head Trump, Trump Trump.When Stdy got there he worked long and hard. He started to make a inflated price and got to 150.Oooo, Stdy the ramper went to market to try and trick Investors. Off he went with a voice in his head Trump, Trump Trump.Sadly Kier was troubled and lost lots of cash. The share price dropped to the floor and Stdy's name was trashed.Oooo, Stdy the ramper went to market to try and trick Investors. Off he went with a voice in his head Trump, Trump TrumpAfter several months investors forgot his name. So Stdy returned and tried again ramp ramp ramp.Oooo, Stdy the ramper went to market to try and trick Investors. Off he went with a voice in his head Trump, Trump Trump.Kier ran out of money, they had to beg for more, with stdy's help they conned some more, so they can spend spend again.Oooo, Stdy the ramper went to market to try and trick Investors. Off he went with a voice in his head Trump, Trump Trump.

[stdyeddy] 07/6/2021 10:45

I had to make do with giving myself a pat on the back spartz since wallzo won't tell us who would pay for 'ramping'.

Big volume today -- I'm guessing this is due to everyone getting their margin accounts in shape so that they can buy the new shares. Sales being taken up easily by the look of things.