Kier Share Discussion Threads

[stdyeddy] 15/5/2021 23:56

And btw, all equity raises have fees -- didn't you know that? I wouldn't be surprised if you DIDN'T KNOW because it turns out that that you don't know anything about Kier. Go back to bed you idiot!!

[zicopele] 15/5/2021 23:31

£12m in underwriting fees for share issue. £10m fees for sale of KL.

The money keeps pouring out. This baby is short of the year.

Keep the faith wally.

Just where are the profits coming from? They have never been there before.

[stdyeddy] 15/5/2021 19:54

Thanks Boozey.

[boozey] 15/5/2021 18:58

Has anyone posted this? Investors Chronicle have published a list of their 12 dirt cheap shares and Kier is top of the list!

[imastu pidgitaswell] 15/5/2021 17:10

Final point – you keep telling me how I should have invested in KIE and not COST. Because KIE has gone up more than COST. Without doing all that again, and why I prefer to make lower percentage but higher (and safer) absolute returns on COST because I could invest a lot more than would be a reasonable risk on something like this that could have gone bust (and I have banked more than £60k from COST since I first acquired some in April 2020), it’s worth just reverting to what I did do from the bottom of the KIE share price, in November 2020.

And I posted it on the SAGA thread at the time – a departure from my usual ‘go large but safe’ strategy. It was the one ‘risky’ company I thought it worth punting on for the post-vaccine recovery (plenty of non-risky companies in the post-vaccine surge – TW. LGEN, HL. and COST in large volumes too - which contributed to the £600k gains):



And a comparison between SAGA and KIE (in terms of KIE share price) - from end of October when KIE bottomed; I bought SAGA on 11 and 12 November:


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SAGA has done far better than KIE, and was on a different level until the KIE surge of the past few days. Not too bad for “A POOR INVESTOR AND YOUR "CAUTIOUS APPROACH" GOT YOU NO WHERE” assertion from you.

Plus of course the £600k as per the previous post.

I’m just showing it to you in in your own words. But it won’t convince you, will it? You remain in your own little bubble of incompetence and self-certainty in the face of the evidence.

[imastu pidgitaswell] 15/5/2021 17:09

Now (in your words again – above):

“What a moron you are.. I have forgotten more about investing and economics than you have ever managed to absorb into a brain with an IQ smaller than your shoe size.”

And

“Months of waffle...and not a penny made by you..Useless fool.”

Plus:
sparty1
7 May '21 - 15:02 - 21330 of 21647 0 1 0
Sadly for them they never got past the balance sheet..pidgy too.
They can only think in one direction. There is no "instinct". They follow the crowd and never learn to dance to the beat of another drum.
Investment is not really for them.. :)

sparty1
13 May '21 - 17:05 - 21556 of 21647 0 2 0
You were wrong, not right, clueless and exultant in defeat! lol... Stay in work if I were you
pidgy because your investing prowess will lead you to poverty very quickly.


sparty1
13 May '21 - 14:37 - 21537 of 21647 0 0 0
He does not understand and never will that a balance sheet and figures and historical values do not add up to a cogent investment strategy. Other qualities are needed and never likely to surface there..

You could have invested @ 42p or anywhere on the way up and be quids in, or even averaged down and be quids in but NO!

JUST OWN UP!! YOU WERE WRONG OTHERS WERE RIGHT. YOU ARE A POOR INVESTOR AND YOUR "CAUTIOUS APPROACH" GOT YOU NO WHERE. WHY BE CAUTIOUS AT YOUR AGE? SAVING UP FOR YOUR FUNERAL???



Now: just a bit over the top, n’est pas? I posted before on here how I made over £600k since the bottom of the market in March 2020, and that I didn’t do it by gambling on potential insolvencies like this. I’ll do it again if you need proof. You have posted (not least above) that this is what you do – “If the cash goes I`ll rip the ticket up and have another bet. Equities and investing in them is betting. Plain and simple.”

What you do isn’t investing. It’s gambling – you said so yourself, per your quote. Best of luck with it – but it’s not investing.

Another example you keep plugging on here (why, ffs?) – SYME:

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What even is that? 0.4p a share? It’s not investing – you might as well go down the bookies (or do it online) and put it on a horse. “Up 20% in 2 days” – if you ignore the price at which you bought, and the price every day prior to then. And you tell me that I’m a poor investor?

[imastu pidgitaswell] 15/5/2021 17:07

Alright sparty, you seem to want to carry on the argument, and are seeking to provoke a response, snarling relentlessly. If only the facts supported it; but they don’t. So... if you won’t read my words, try reading your own:

sparty1
14 Oct '20 - 10:58 - 16449 of 21647 0 1 0
well I`ve not written them off. I continue to buy a few once a month when funds come in. No large amount involved. Know the risks. Added @ 46.95 this morning.

sparty1
15 Oct '20 - 17:09 - 16485 of 21647 0 0 0
I have a few grand in kier ,it is a gamble, I care about getting the decision right but If the cash goes I`ll rip the ticket up and have another bet. Equities and investing in them is betting. Plain and simple. You get worried, do not bet.

sparty1
21 Oct '20 - 14:55 - 16565 of 21647 0 1 0

Just might be we have seen the worst. My average is now 80.
That honest enough for you?

sparty1
1 Mar '21 - 17:40 - 19595 of 21647 0 0 0
pidgy ,you are not invested ,neither am I. Just let those invested get on with it.


So your holding was at an average of 80. You sold for low-mid 80s – in late February. It’s not clear exactly when you did sell, although you did state when asked whether you had sold that:


sparty1
25 Feb '21 - 14:04 - 19373 of 21647 0 0 0
eddy ..is that a serious question? Of course I furking have not! After all this time waiting..(9 months approx) not selling for a poxy 10/20% ..


So notwithstanding the ‘I’m not selling’ followed by selling within a day or so, the maximum was ‘a poxy 10/20%’; the reality was maybe somewhat lower given the share price on those days in late February? For holding for how long? And you think you’re a good investor, being 50% (or more) down and selling for c10% in the end? And why did you sell? When you could have held on for today’s prices. But didn’t. Yet you’re trying to tell me I’m no good at this lark?



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[sparty1] 15/5/2021 12:16

hamham
Try telling that to the resident link poster. He thinks it is all about balance sheets and "informed articles"
Sometime you have to take everything you know about the Macro world,look back over history, and visualize everything coming together like a video in your mind.

Clearly that gives some a headache.

Forks , nice little sum in five years for you. By then there should be a hell of a lot of projects well under way and some finishing and hopefully kier's shareprice will reflect this.

[ontheforks] 15/5/2021 10:15

Not quite yet gixxer I'm still 2k down (could have been worse) plus depends on kier matching my purchases and treating me as a good leaver plus side though I think I'm sitting around five thousand share options at 85p so that'll better my odds and hopefully put me in profit going forward in the long game

[gixxer1] 15/5/2021 10:01

A nice little profit ontheforks. Lucky you didn't heed the advice given!

[ontheforks] 15/5/2021 09:46

Just worked out my average
It currently stands at £1.40 a share although there tied up in a sipp for five years before there all tax free luckily the majority were bought at a lower price the current estimated value is around 9.5k and too think wally Woodford advised me to sell up for 2k what a ⚓💦

[hamhamham1] 15/5/2021 06:18

I am a happy holder both here and Costain, contrary to some posters belief, it is possible to successfully invest in both, they are not mutually exclusive.

[hawaiiian] 14/5/2021 23:41

What ever happened to SentimentRules?

[hamhamham1] 14/5/2021 16:53

This last 12 months or so has been an excercise in assessing undervalued companies and jumping in them, holding for a few (3-5) years. Opportunities like this come but once every 7-10 years. Spread investments wide and gives for added sound sleep. It's not rocket science.

[hamhamham1] 14/5/2021 16:34

Only an arrogant fool would open a short at 88p av. When the share has come down from 1600p.
Clever shorts left ages ago, only fools left.

[petersw1] 14/5/2021 16:16

On the 1st May Wally said:
"I will heartedly apologize if it rallies above 100 (in addition to being poorer)!!"

On the 6th:
"81.5 is my average, I will be massively in profit in a few weeks."

The low that day was 89.6 and it has not gone below that since.

Yet today he says: "I lost no money".
It doesn't add up.


What do you mean Wally?
At face value there is clearly a false statement and where is the promised apology?

The only way I can find to consider you not to be lying is if you mean you haven't yet realised your losses and aren't counting paper losses as lost money, instead you're just considering yourself to be poorer. Though that is either a lie or a misleading statement to make.

Holding a short position now would seem an incredibly risky trade given the way things are playing out so far.
You lose a lot of credibility when you don't show some humility when you have got it wrong. Though probably accepting when you're wrong wouldn't serve your clear purpose of pushing Keir down in the eyes passing investors.


Stdy, I'm really beginning to understand your apparent hatred of Wally. I'm increasinging thinking his posts could be considered criminal in line with the handy reminder at the bottom of this page.

[stdyeddy] 14/5/2021 15:48

Congratulations hamham!!

[hamhamham1] 14/5/2021 15:47

I'm on my way to trebling my investment ;)

[hamhamham1] 14/5/2021 15:45

Zico, Wally and Imstu, all said this is a dead parrot, hilarious ;)

[stdyeddy] 14/5/2021 14:42

technowiz, he is not 'poor wally'. He is 'lying scumbag wally' who has probably been working for a shorter, and has duped hundreds of people over the course of two years on this thread and others covering Kier (see Steve72 on Lse).

wolly has been the ringleader in a team of trolls; himself, zicopele and itcm1. Between the three of them they have maintained a constant stream of misinformation on this chatboard. To put this in context, let me give you some numbers. Two years ago this thread had gained about 4,000 posts in 14 years, averaging approximately 1 post a day. After wolly and his fellow trolls arrived, this thread racked up 17,500 posts in two years, around 25 posts a day on average, practically all of it (apart from brief periods involving actual Kier events) due to a bunch of ordinary investors trying to counter the stream of bullsh1t coming night and day from the three trolls. If we had left them to it, the entire thread would've consisted of nothing but three liars conducting a non-stop diatribe against Kier to dissuade passing investors. Strange as it might seem, a great many investors take a look at the advfn thread of a share to check the 'temperature' of an investment. Wally's explicitly stated intention was to stop anyone investing in Kier. That has been his mission for two years. We may have occasionally found humour in the situation, but the actual work of confronting them has been a daily burden shared by a handful of committed investors who recognised that he was lying and that Kier is not Carillion.