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[loganair] 29/7/2020 10:27

The most junior BA cabin crew who had been with BA for less than 3 months was on higher pay than the purser who had been flying for 6 years with the airline I was flying with for.

The BA first officer had just completed his line training with BA while my Captain had 12,000 hours total time and this BA junior first officer was on higher pay then my Captain.

Many BA crew call a 2 sector day flying in Europe as a very long hard days work where as I'm use to flying 4 sector days and often when flying domestically flying 6 sector days.

I even have an extreme dislike flying on BA as a passenger as they are so institutionalised and dictatorial, passengers have to go along with the BA playbook, many of their stewards look and act like they are bouncers in a night club, BA crew act so superior to any other flight crew and think there is only one way of doing things, that's the BA way and that all others have to fit in with them. Give me KLM or Swiss International any day or even TAP for that matter. Only Ryanair is worse to fly on as a passenger then BA is.

Sadly BA destroyed the passenger flying experience of flying on both Iberia and Aer Lingus who use to be fun airlines to fly on as passengers.

[applepieinthesky] 29/7/2020 10:09

Perhaps a certain amount of people are higher paid but maybe your not telling the whole story maybe they've served the company 10 15 20 years more than you at your airline. Why didn't you apply to join BA

[loganair] 29/7/2020 09:54

A good example of how BA crews are over paid and under worked.

I was a Senior first Officer at the time.

My day a 4 sector day Brussels-Lourdes-Brussels...Brussels-Istanbul-Brussels.

While turning round at Istanbul we parked next to a BA aircraft and I had a chat with their Junior First Officer...

1. This junior BA first Officer was on higher pay then my Captain.
2. The BA purser was on higher pay then I was as a Senior first Officer.
3. The most junior BA cabin crew was on higher pay then our purser.
4. Their were 2 BA flights that day to Istanbul and for both the BA crew only flew the single sector Heathrow-Istanbul for that day, getting off to over night in Istanbul being replaced by a new crew who had overnighted the day before.

The BA First Officer said to me that to him, this single sector to Istanbul was a long day of hard work and therefore he deserved being paid the pay he was.

With crew contracts like that, BA has no way of competing on their European routes.

[montyhedge] 29/7/2020 09:30

In this instance unions are powerless, what are they going to do, go on strike, hardly any passengers anyway..

[careful] 29/7/2020 09:27

Walsh has been given the run around by the unions for years.
They are overpaid with too many benefits.

He has delayed his retirement because it is pay back time.
A total reset of terms and conditions.

The unions destroyed many UK companies, often aided by inept management.
A British Leyland, too many overpaid inefficient workers producing terrible cars.

To survive there needed to be far fewer workers working hard producing great cars at the right price.
Future profit should have been to invest in modern techniques and new models.

The result, more jobs, wealth creation.
Killed off forever the union way.

[m1k3y1] 29/7/2020 09:21

logan.....so why haven't IAG directors suspended their remuneration policy and reward.

[loganair] 29/7/2020 09:12

Interesting to hear Labour's Transport Secretary talking about the BA redundancies and re-hire. Not only did he sound as thick as too very short planks, he also sounded very ignorant of IAG's and BA's current situation.

He said that BA does not need to make any of its employees redundant or reduce their pay as BA has enough money to easily fly a fall flight schedule with all its planes in the air for 15 months with its planes empty so there is no need to sack any staff or reduce their pay.

While all the aviation analysts said the complete opposite, in order to compete with the low cost carries who have further reduced their costs and the other legacy airlines reducing their staff count and BA's permanent loss of a good number of their highly profitable business passengers they desperately need to reduce their costs. Also pointing out, as I have posted, that BA pilots and cabin crew are some of the best paid in the world while at the same time often flying less then half the work that many other airline crews do which singularly comes from the fact BA is an legacy airline with crew, especially short haul crew flying the same number of sectors as they would have done in the 1930s and 1950s & 60s when flight tickets were up to 50x more expensive then they are in to days money and very little competition expect from other state owned national carriers.

[montyhedge] 29/7/2020 08:43

Pilots who cost passengers their holidays, cost BA 123m pounds in loss revenue, nine months ago, when rejecting pay offer, most of them will be stacking shelves in Tesco, strange how things change.

[careful] 29/7/2020 08:40

Hard to see IAG surviving.
As with many other uk companies.

We cannot keep running away from this virus.
The risk will have to be taken.

If an idiot wishes to climb Everest and kill himself he should be free to do it.
Strict lockdown for those super spreader areas.
Sensible reactions should be taken by others.

Too many morons in this country, discipline impossible.

[applepieinthesky] 29/7/2020 08:40

Take some time to listen to this short message before you invest in this horrible company.https://www.iaindale.com/articles/iains-powerful-plea-to-british-airways-management

[montyhedge] 29/7/2020 08:29

Trouble with unions, hardly any passengers, talk of deeply discounted rights issue. Massive loss next set of figures.Can't see the attraction of IAG at this price.

[welsh3] 29/7/2020 08:15

Think u misread im in big on this share was not skating iag just the comment below

[hodhasharon] 29/7/2020 07:38

Who's the greatest IAG shareholder?

[welsh3] 29/7/2020 07:38

Utter trash

[buywell3] 29/7/2020 02:43

Nobody picked up on the UVC use of LED lighting to kill SARS-CoV-2 ( Covid-19 ) virus



====== The use of UVC in Cars and Boats and Planes and Trains ========

As well as Hospitals and Care Homes ; Transport will use UVC lighting for disinfection.

This post looks at planes --- as due to Covid-19 most are currently grounded.


Plane manufacturer Boeing AFTER SARS-CoV-1 and after MERS filed a patent application for the use of 220nM UVC lighting ,222nM lighting and various other wavelengths.

Boeing with all their resources could see back in 2017 what could happen re a bad coronavisus re Risk Management output.

Hence:



REFLECTOR SYSTEM FOR A LIGHTING ASSEMBLY
Oct 6, 2017 - THE BOEING COMPANY

A lighting assembly includes a light source, such as an ultraviolet (UV) light source that is configured to emit UVC light, and a reflector system including a base having an internal central crest that is configured to direct emitted light away from the light source.



The right assembly , with the right power level and wavelength 220nm or 222nM or close to --- will NOT damage human DNA --- but it will kill the Covid-19 causing virus SARS-CoV-2

buywell expects to read further clinical results in September.

And Ushio selling their 222nM units in Japan in October

Followed by a ROW LED UVC explosion of usage in 2021 ( better powered special LED's at 222nM are being made )

dyor --- buyell does

[dagsteeth] 28/7/2020 17:38

Ear to the ground...the trouble with having spent one's career in the City is that you know the kids in the banks these days have no creativity and will just follow the textbook route. All choreographed with last Friday's RNS allowing them this week to do market soundings without making investors insiders, the rush to get the union deal approved, all timed to coincide with results. Spain has knocked 50p off their intended price. £2.5bn with no forward transparency is a big slug, investors will be demanding a mega discount

[lyndon b] 28/7/2020 17:33

Where in the ether did you pluck that little snippet?

[dagsteeth] 28/7/2020 17:28

Rights issue at 100p to be announced with results on Friday this week ...

Shares will end the week below 150p and drift to 130p

[applepieinthesky] 28/7/2020 14:17

Says it all https://www.iaindale.com/articles/iains-powerful-plea-to-british-airways-management

[soho2] 28/7/2020 14:02

The strike goes without saying... they have been training Management to operate some flights ...there will probably be court actions from UNITE re fire and re hire ...

[qantas] 28/7/2020 10:33

BBC News - British Airways faces strike threat over job cut planHttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53564385Please do your own research as always

[davethehorse] 28/7/2020 10:17

There will be a time to invest here but its not now

[jailbird] 28/7/2020 08:55

* I mean just fire

[buywell3] 28/7/2020 08:51

Does anybody think the Government are going to crack down on an employer just now ?

Come on get real

Alternative is paying benefits