Versarien Share Discussion Threads

[luckyorange] 24/2/2017 13:58

Short term blip lol.

[shavian] 24/2/2017 13:04

Well you would think so wouldn't you, Lucky :0)

Not a hint of a hexagon, on the car though. Glad I deferred my top-up, as the 'snowflake' traders are bailing out. However I never buy on Fridays so I'll defer to Monday

[luckyorange] 24/2/2017 13:01

Lovely colour :-)

[darkdogs] 24/2/2017 11:23

nice looking motor

[theklf] 24/2/2017 10:45

Apparently launch is on Sky Sports News live so looks more like conventional F1 car launch

I did not expect any direct mention of VRS but can understand if there is some trader related sell off if there is no mention of VRS or graphene

[spike_1] 24/2/2017 10:25

And as Shavian has 'hinted' McLaren not the only team working with graphene ;0)

Best wishes - Mike

[ridicule] 24/2/2017 10:10

It is not the contract value of an F1 publicity blitz for VRS, if it is them. The prize is publicity for VRS if they are named or allowed to RNS it. There are a myriad of commercial interests associated with F1 and this could lead to a whole new range and tranche of orders. It could also attract more VRS investors once they understand what the Company is about.

[shavian] 24/2/2017 09:58

Hmmm. Top-up pre- or post- 1100am? I think I'll hold off....

[phoenixs] 24/2/2017 08:51

Shavian, agreed. I just don't get the mentality which would result in buying because there just maybe a subliminal reference to grapheme/nanene.
The agreement with Lansdowne has far larger implications for VRS, a worldwide sales organisation in agreement with "little" VRS for its nanene! That tells me that VRS really do have something to sell.

[shavian] 24/2/2017 08:34

You may be right Phoenix, in which case we'll get a few disappointed traders selling - lovely. Maybe a last chance to top up in the mid-teens. The presence of graphene may be incidental to Maclaren's message today, but it could be said that Maclaren itself is incidental to Versarian's future. Both sides have bigger fish to fry this year.And even within F1, Maclaren is not the only team working with graphene.

[phoenixs] 24/2/2017 08:21

I am not expecting much from the F1 launch except a new Mclaren F1 car. The rest is incidental for them today.

[bazzerp] 24/2/2017 08:11

Just in case. McLaren 2017 F1 launch due at 11:00.

[superg1] 24/2/2017 07:27

I'm smiling re comments somewhere yesterday. It demonstrates the understanding or lack of it by the city v reality.

I suggest 95% plus who have heard of the word graphene just think way into the future, but others know about it and the gains but don't want to talk about it.

Talk and use of it will become widespread over the next year or two imo.

[superg1] 23/2/2017 19:18

Just for the record (to come back to), potentially I'm looking for next late trade to end 301.

I'm also on another matter looking out for 833 (not trades)

[billbyrne] 23/2/2017 19:17

Thanks Shavian, doesn't sound like the type of place I'd rush back to either.

[superg1] 23/2/2017 19:07

That last trade has convinced me it is definitely the supply I first thought.

That figure added to what I think is left gives an exact round number so in theory there will be a late report in a day or two which will mean that supply has gone.

Obviously due to the knock back my suspicion is it has already largely eaten into. Late yesterday around 250k of buying did nothing to shift any MM. It looked like a supply as left.

Today with short term sellers/traders or whatever you want to call them it's caused a knock back.

I struggle to imagine that there is more than 300k left from that supply and in any case it won't last long.

Al the above excludes the possibility of any other decent supply. share price behaviour tends to suggest it has been that one main source.

[shavian] 23/2/2017 18:46

BillI confirm SG's post that Perp looked very dead when I peeked into their Ammanford office windows in December. Just a couple of items of poor quality furniture in a very downmarket trading estate. Have not bothered to check since as the last news entry on their website was 13 April 2015. Cannot comment on the Lloyds loan item.

[superg1] 23/2/2017 18:44

Cyber

That trade didn't happen today it was on the 21st.

I don't know if you have seen my other posts but I know what that is.

That 620k is a transfer of shares from the seller to a market maker on that day. As I showed in rules recently they are allowed to delay the notification of the trade.

At the time PEEL hunt were always on the offer so it's clear it was them that went to the supply source (I call it door knocking). They then feed that into the market to buyers until they run out.

As for other smaller late trades it has been hard to call if they were supply via that route, I know for sure some weren't some 'other trades' were buys.

The last very obvious supply trade was 697,222 a late report on the 13th which I believe happened on the 9th not too long back.

So those 2 are definitely from the supply 620,699 and 607,222 (1,277,921).

Perhaps the apparent supply started late yesterday was another lump of a similar size and will be reported in a few days.

Another one of that size would be very near to the total of what I think the supply is.

I'll be exact (you know how I dig) there was a holding ending 7222, which matches the first lump, so you can see why I have the theory it's them and if them one of a similar size would clear them out completely.

If that's the case then it's been in play along with natural selling/churn and hence the pull back.

[superg1] 23/2/2017 18:27

No problem Bill.

With the world full of completely false claims re graphene production it will take time for the masses to understand it.

The national physical laboratory and the NGI are working together to set some standards for what is or isn't graphene.

The standards will be driven by whether it adds benefit or not at certain layer levels. Current evidence suggests under 10 and under 5 layer qualify as GNPs as they add strength when added to materials.

After 10 it's starts to drop to zero and in some cases detrimental hence it's just good for whatever graphite is used for, it's not graphene.

Until they sort that anything under about 300 layers can be called graphene.

I'm sure Nano would get p'd off if some called their product Qdots if it was 30 times bigger than theirs and doesn't work, enhance colour etc. That is what is going on in the GNP world. Qdots are for displays and lights and graphene goes in just about everything.

[superg1] 23/2/2017 18:19

As a reminder from that recent report

In China, graphene materials are generic names of graphene with no more than 10 layers of carbon atoms and relevant derivatives. In contrast, graphene materials with more than 10 layers of carbon atoms generally belong to graphite for the loss of high graphene performance.

National graphene institute

Few-layer graphene (FLG) or multi-layer graphene (MLG)A 2D, sheet-like material, either as a free-standing flake or substrate-bound coating, consisting of a small number (between two and about 10) of well-defined, countable, stacked graphene layers of extended lateral dimension. Individual flakes should still maintain a high aspect ratio. Few-layer graphene or graphene oxide dispersions can have a defined thickness distribution. MLG is useful for composite materials, and as a mechanical reinforcement.

[billbyrne] 23/2/2017 18:18

Thanks sg for your thoughts, it was the typically below 10 layers and the 140tons per annum that made me look.

[cyberbub] 23/2/2017 18:11

There's the reason for the big drop... 600K sell at 17p!