Intelligent Energy Share Discussion Threads

[dean windass] 01/10/2016 19:14

Ballard were in a bit of trouble if I remember rightly ... sounds familiar ... obviously, part of their route out of trouble was to sell off some of the IP ... IEH haven't, as far as we know had to resort to that yet ... which means they stand a better chance of earning a better income in the long run from their patents .... whereas Ballard appear to be making HFCs using patents and IP which they developed and then sold to VW ....

[dean windass] 01/10/2016 19:10

So, it seems VW, after "dieselgate" just decided HFC powered vehicles were the future and rather than forever license the technology, bought a load of Ballard's patents for £32 million .... so how much are IEH's auto HFC related patents worth? Has the IEH auto HFC section been "mothballed" because it's likely to be sold? .... a bit like a footballer about to be transferred gets mysteriously rested so he doesn't get injured and wreck the move? .... if not, maybe IEH will produce HFCs for auto manufacturers who, for whatever reason are not buying HFC intellectual properties .... I do find it reassuring that whenever I do a bit of digging, stiff like this appears so easily ... yes ... Ballard is a competitor getting orders from VW ... who happen to own the intellectual property used in the HFCs Ballard will be making ... if another major auto maker did a similar deal with IEH, it would see IEH getting a lump of dosh for their patents and then getting an income from making the HFCs ... why should that not happen? Of course, until it does happen, we're waiting for news and it may never come ... but this is where PIs make their money, getting involved with companies before the big boy IIs see a vague trend is becoming a racing certainty .... not phased by the drop in share price ...

[dean windass] 01/10/2016 19:01

DO MAKE SURE YOU READ THIS UNTIL THE VERY END AND THE PHRASE "MANY HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF POUNDS"

I told you I'd do some digging .... here's why Audi are ordering hydrogen fuel cell power trains from Ballard ... I suspect .... VW bought a pack of Ballard patents .... it seems IEH still have theirs .... interesting when trying to calculate IEH's patents' value .... so IEH haven't it seems VW (AUDI) have Ballard make HFCs using patents VW own ... IEH still own the rights to what they might produce for others ....

"Intelligent Energy : welcomes Volkswagen Group’s substantial commitment to fuel cell powertrains

02/12/2015 | 01:24pm EDT
Published on Thursday 12th February, 2015

The announcement yesterday that the Volkswagen Group has acquired a portfolio of patents from fuel cell provider Ballard for approximately £32m is a strong indication of the growing importance of this zero-emission power source to the global automotive industry. James Batchelor, Managing Director of Motive at Intelligent Energy, believes this agreement significantly reduces Ballard's offering in the mass market automotive sector, thereby confirming Intelligent Energy as the leading independent fuel cell developer and implementation partner for vehicle manufacturers.

Following just a few weeks after major announcements in this sector, including statements by Toyota and Honda, the ongoing commitment of another of the world's largest vehicle manufacturers is a clear indication that fuel cell technologies are now firmly established on the automotive agenda.

"With investment in fuel cell technology reported to have cost a number of global car makers billions of pounds, a faster and more cost-effective alternative to the in-house route is to collaborate with an industry-respected specialist, such as Intelligent Energy," comments Batchelor. "This approach is proving very effective with our major customers, who value access to our next-generation, high power, cost-effective fuel cell systems and our future technology roadmaps, as well as the system-level integration expertise we provide to accelerate the development process for early series production."

"This news from another top global auto manufacturer will also stimulate wider public and industry interest in fuel cell technologies," continues Batchelor. "The scale of Volkswagen Group's new commitment to fuel cell technology means that the drive towards zero-emission fuel cell vehicles will be further accelerated. This announcement is to be warmly welcomed by everyone who believes in a low-carbon future."

Intelligent Energy has a number of significant commercial and technical agreements in place with vehicle manufacturers worldwide, including with the Suzuki Motor Corporation who paid £45m in 2012 for non-exclusive access to use a part of Intelligent Energy's intellectual property portfolio in a limited field of application. This deal, which represents only the upfront element of a more substantive royalty-based licensing agreement, leaves Intelligent Energy free to enter into similar agreements with other customers. The company is also engaged in the third year of a substantial ongoing programme of fuel cell system and technology development with a leading European Premium Car Manufacturer. Under the terms of this engagement, there is an option agreement between the two parties that provides for the non-exclusive access to certain elements of Intelligent Energy's intellectual property portfolio which, if exercised in full, would lead to a payment of many hundreds of millions of pounds."

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[dean windass] 01/10/2016 09:01

I wonder why Ballard got the Audi contract? Would be nice to know the difference between Ballard and IEH's HFCs. I've never found IEH that "newsy" ... though, for a company that isn't very "newsy", they appear in the news quite a bit. What I mean is they are not always releasing frivolous RNS .... in some ways. it's encouraging, conservative ... potential is all well and good but you have to at least stay in business until potential is realised .... interesting question would be though .... where does IEH get its money from? I know there are all sorts of military things they work on ... the funding for that might come from hush hush slush funds, I don't know. Are they already making money from their patents? Who's BUYING their HFCs and services? We know there are JVAs and NDAs ...I'll do some digging ... been dead busy with a van and now renewing insurance and car tax and it's ALL a pain!!! Normal service will be resumed soon I hope!!

[filster] 30/9/2016 16:19

@ibug - you should be running it!! ;)

[ibug] 30/9/2016 16:09

The IEH twitter page has been revamped and is much more active --- perhaps some news soon.

[ibug] 30/9/2016 09:34

Interesting to note that the company has been advertising for a fuel cell cartridge designer --- that innovative development will become a worlds first aimed at low power applications: phones and drones. The job will be based in Florida.

A key member of the fuel cartridge development team, the Mechanical Product Development Engineer is a lead engineer responsible for planning, and executing project work focusing on the development of new, novel, fuel cartridge and fuel cell product designs which can power devices in the sub Watt to 400Watt range. 

[ibug] 30/9/2016 07:49

TOYOTA FCV PLUS Preparing the Hydrogen Society
Added by FuelCellsWorks, September 29, 2016

Fuel cell vehicles are often referred to as the ultimate in environment-friendly vehicles.

But in a future in which fuel cell vehicles abound, cars will not only be energy users.

Toyota’s aim is to add an all-new sense of purpose to the automobile by turning fuel cell vehicles from “energy users” into “energy makers”.
 
Paris, France -  Not only will these zero emission vehicles reduce the burden on the environment, but they’ll also be able to produce and provide energy. The TOYOTA FCV PLUS is a fuel cell vehicle that has accomplished this transition and can contribute to society by being part of the electric power-generating infrastructure. ;
 
The 3 roles of TOYOTA FCV PLUS

Using the vehicle to convert clean hydrogen into electricity can help protect the environment and serve as an important way to address energy security issues:

- Generating electricity from hydrogen
   In addition to having hydrogen in its own hydrogen tank, TOYOTA FCV PLUS can also generate electricity directly from hydrogen stored outside the vehicle. The vehicle can thus be transformed into a stable source of electric power for use at home or away.

- Sharing generated electricity with others
   While parked, TOYOTA FCV PLUS can provide electricity stored on-board to other cars and to local power grids as part of the local infrastructure.

- Supporting electricity generation into the future

   Beyond just being used in an automobile, the fuel cell stack of TOYOTA FCV PLUS can be removed and reused as an electricity generating device, transcending the traditional functions of cars. Put to versatile use around the world, these stacks could contribute significantly to local communities.

[ibug] 30/9/2016 07:31

Incredible hydrogen production achieved in Germany -- 28 MT in just 10 minutes.


Synergies Between Space Flight, Energy and Transportation

September 29, 2016 by Hydrogeit

Testing the Vulcain 2 at DLR site

The Institute of Space Propulsion of the German Aerospace Center (DLR) in Lampoldshausen is one of Europe‘s largest hydrogen consumers. The organization primarily uses cryogenic hydrogen to test the main and upper stage engines of Europe’s Ariane 5 rocket. The experiences made during those tests will now be expanded even further: Together with ZEAG Energie, the DLR is planning to implement a regenerative hydrogen process chain.

It creates the required hydrogen in a 1 MW PEM electrolysis system, which draws its power from the neighboring wind farm Harthäuser Wald, and makes the hydrogen available on-site for use in space flight, energy and transport applications. This turns the H2ORIZON project into an entirely new demonstration and research platform for utilizing a wide range of hydrogen technologies.

When the Vulcain 2 main engine is running at test stand P5, it converts about 28 tons of hydrogen into fuel energy within ten minutes. The maximum output is three gigawatts. And that’s not all: The DLR in Lampoldshausen also operates test stands for innovative engine designs using gaseous hydrogen.

The amount necessary for these manifold endeavors comes from large-capacity units storing cryogenic and gaseous hydrogen and from a network that transports the fuel from a central storage facility. This fuel is available as both cryogenic and gaseous hydrogen (at 320 or 800 bar, respectively).

[filster] 29/9/2016 16:28

@Dean - sort of supports the previous Audi news about HFCs...

"German automaker Audi has issued new purchase orders to Ballard Power Systems, a leading developer of hydrogen fuel cells, in order to accelerate key development activities. "

hxxp://www.canadianmanufacturing.com/environment-and-safety/volkswagen-ramps-up-fuel-cell-development-program-with-ballard-176282/

Not IEH though :(

and I noticed this on the Ballard website... hxxp://ballard.com/power-products/stationary-systems/backup-extended-power/

They seem to be doing the deals, why not IEH?

[dean windass] 29/9/2016 16:17

hxxp://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/audi-issues-more-purchase-orders-for-hydrogen-fuel-cells/8530149/

[filster] 28/9/2016 16:07

@Dean we need some news!!! I'm not expecting it to come along quickly/all the time but something from IEH prior to Christmas would be good. I think the Full Year Accounts will be out in Mid-Nov - so let's hope there are some good indicators in there - especially after InterDrone 2016.

ETA : Just to be clear, this is only going southwards until some news (and by news I mean something IEH related or from IEH itself) in terms of sales. At the moment all IEH are doing is burning through their cash, albeit it at a slower rate than before the reorganisation. These are the known facts and that's all we can go on for the moment.

[ibug] 28/9/2016 15:45

TRUE FILLSTER---BUT ONLY UNTILL THE MUCH ANTICIPATED ORDERS ARRIVE ON THE SCENE..imo.

AND THOSE ORDERS ARE HIGHLY LIKELY TO ARRIVE...in the meantime the business needs to create a bread and butter enterprise.... and that is starting to happen through remote energy systems for refrigerated containers, forklifts, telecom towers, smart phones, drones and emergency power systems.

The corporates in those sectors all have there own R&D and manufacturing teams...thus they just need the tech and know how....simples...lol

[dean windass] 28/9/2016 15:40

Just catching up on posts here. It'll be interestong to see what news arrives and when. Surprised at the share price fall though .... In the past, similar trading has revealed big orders being filled but what do I know?

[filster] 28/9/2016 15:13

Just remember IEH have mothballed all EC projects (i.e. the ones used in Autmotives).

[ibug] 28/9/2016 15:01

FILSTER -- Tesla have a major disadvantage by using Lithium battery technology: unreliable, causes fires and explosions, takes 6 to 12 hours for a recharge and it only has a useable lifespan of 3 - 5 years.

HFC's however offer a similar performance with a much longer lifespan without the pollution that a chemical battery offers; like heavy metals.

Hydrogen is fast to refuel without all that pollution and tech problems that have manifested itself in smartphones, laptops and Boeing 777- 787 planes.

IEH have the tech for many applications including CARS, AVIATION AND PHONES.

[ibug] 28/9/2016 14:54

AND THAT PRICING + TAX BREAKS WILL PROPELL THE HYDROGEN INDUSTRY. Advanced countries don't want fossil fuel any more...no fossil fuel equates to a 40% reduction in human disease; and of course a reduction in global warming.

The exhaust from hydrogen systems is mainly oxygen that will cool down the environment very quickly, that gives acceleration to the science that is geologically proved. Too much hydrogen generated power might lead to another ice age as the Sun has entered a 50,000 year cooling cycle since about the year 2000.

But that side effect is controllable...lol...hydrogen power is the way forward as a primary source for centuries to come.

[filster] 28/9/2016 14:52

The thing is, why do they have to make their alternative energy cars so fugly? Tesla showed the way forward but so far the traditional car manufacturers seem hell bent on making their alternative energy cars stand out (for all the wrong reasons).

[norbus] 28/9/2016 14:44

That's a hell of a price break

[ibug] 28/9/2016 14:15

Cut in lease pricing leads to higher sales for the Toyota Mirai

Japanese automaker Toyota is preparing to launch a new model of its increasingly popular fuel cell vehicle, the Mirai. The new model is set to be launched next year and will be somewhat different from Toyota’s current offering. While these changes may be modest, with the new Mirai being more efficient and coming in a new color, one change may make the vehicle more attractive to consumers. Toyota plans to cut the lease price of the new Toyota Mirai by a significant margin, taking the monthly cost from $499 to $349.

Toyota beats its annual expectations for Mirai deliveries

The cut in lease pricing has lead to a spike in sales for the Mirai. From January to July, approximately 40 units of the Mirai were sold every month. Over a seven month period, some 270 units were sold in total. In August, however, some 371 units of the Mirai were delivered.

Due to increasing demand and sales, Toyota has beaten its estimated annual Mirai deliveries. This trend is expected to carry into the coming year, especially with the new Mirai being less expensive to lease.

Toyota Mirai continues to make use of fuel cell technology
Like the current version of the Mirai, the 2017 model will be equipped with a hydrogen fuel cell. Toyota has taken a strong interest in fuel cell technology, believing that these energy systems have a major role to play in the future of the transportation space.

Fuel cell technology has also captured the support of many other major automakers, many of whom plan to release their own updated models of fuel cell vehicles alongside Toyota.

Tax credits and other incentives make the Toyota Mirai more attractive to consumers
One of the attractive features of fuel cell technology is that it is efficient and these energy systems produce no harmful emissions. Another attractive aspect of this technology is that vehicles equipped with fuel cells are eligible for government tax credits.

According to Toyota, all models of the Mirai are eligible for what the automaker calls a “Trailblazer” discount, which comes in at $7,500. In the U.S., these vehicles can also benefit from some $8,000 in federal tax credits due to their use of clean technology.

[ibug] 28/9/2016 13:35

Plenty OF BUSINESS for all the hydrogen centered equipment manufacturers imo....this is developing into a multi trillion dollar global enterprise with far more winners than losers imo.

[ibug] 28/9/2016 13:33

Nel ASA: Awarded Contract in Latvia for Delivery of New Dual Hydrogen Fueling Solution for Cars and Buses

FuelCellsWorks, September 28, 2016

OSLO, Norway-- Nel Hydrogen Solutions, a division of Nel ASA (OSE: NEL), has been awarded a contract by SIA Hydrogenis, a leading hydrogen project developer in Latvia, for the delivery of the new dual capability H2Station®, which offers a combined hydrogen fueling solution for cars and buses in Riga. “We are very pleased to have...



THE HYDROGEN ENERGY INDUSTRY IS GAINING TRACTION EVERYDAY

[ibug] 28/9/2016 13:31

FORLIFT TRUCKS USING HFC's

The FCH JU is kick-starting the deployment of hydrogen fuel cell forklift in Europe

FuelCellsWorks, September 28, 2016

Within FCH JU project HAWL, 36 new hydrogen fuel cell-powered forklifts have recently been deployed at the FM Logistic warehouse in Neuville-au-Bois, near Amiens in the Northern French department of Picardie.

They add to another 10 units that had already been deployed 18 months ago in this same location. Among FCH JU projects, Neuville-aux-Bois is... Continue reading this article

[norbus] 28/9/2016 12:54

As I said before, i hope no one was parted with more than they can lose; 8p to maybe 10p till the company stabilises and has good visibility of revenue