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[maxk] 30/12/2018 21:00

So, vote's only for Timothy of Highgate, but Tiffany from Brum gets told to stuff it. Very egalitarian, and of course, part of the problem.

[pvb] 30/12/2018 20:33

bothdavis 30 Dec '18 - 12:50 - 34325 of 34341 Personally, I believe Mrs May has been dealt the worst hand ANY Prime Minister has ever had. Whatever deal she managed to negotiate it was going to be unpopular: The hard right want to leave whatever the cost to the country, the Remainers want the softest 'leave', then the Labour party will vote against or merely not make any decisions so that the Conservatives will bear the brunt of the post Bexit electorate, then the other prospective Conservative 'leaders' will moan and groan against whatever is negotiated to placate their supporters. Agreed.

[gaffer73] 30/12/2018 20:07

That's your opinion and you are entitled to it but it's you who is stupid.

[andycapp1] 30/12/2018 19:59

Maybe I am just bitter and twisted in that membership of the EU didn't bother me one jot. It's an elected body - MEPs - and the UK seemingly agreed with most of its laws and edicts. As for so called immigrants, We are a rich country and I don't begrudge helping people in dire need. I also don't have an issue with skilled Poles, Romanians et al doing jobs (generally well) over here. They don't generally use the NHS as they are, again generally, young and fit and so I have never had any issue with the main tenets of the EU, that of free movement of capital and people. We are an ageing population and we need these younger people to help us. So I just don't get this "reclaiming our sovereignty, free to trade with the rest of the world" rot. We are free anyway, we just have a well understood platform to do it from. But guess that doesn't cut it with Granny man who seems to think it'll lead to some sort of nirvana for the UK - it won't! Well it won't for him. Me? I'm sad; I'm sad for my kids and for the young people who have to live with this impossibly stupid decision. But as I say you give the vote to Tiffany from Birmingham, this is what you get! The wrong answer.

[erogenous jones] 30/12/2018 19:47

Dr Biotech (and others)..... the negotiation process should have been simplicity. The stance could have been that we accept the the laws that have been passed by Europe will continue to be honoured, that the UK will accept that the basis of standards which are the commonality that allows all goods and services be recognised between countries aligned to Europe will be honoured, maintained and, as augmented in the future will be adopted; that the UK will share resources including intelligence to maintain or improve the security of Europe... PLUS... that the UK will continue to permit the free passage of Euopeans accross our borders. However new laws enacted by Europe, changes that are effective beyond our membership and regulatations that affect the basis of trade and the free movement of European persons will not automatically be adopted by the UK after the UK withdraw. The red herring element of the Irish border as, one of TWO hard borders (the other being Gibraltar) are local and singular issues. In terms of any payment for our withdrawal..... well, having been a nett contributor for the duration of our membership, our fees are up to date and future contributions will only to honour those to which the UK has already committed during our membership. Of course, I am a simpleton, but, I believe, I am not an idiot.

[diku] 30/12/2018 18:31

Makes you wonder if Labour are just opposing for the sake of opposing...jockeying for positioning a general election...

[dr biotech] 30/12/2018 18:15

Well we had David Davis also negotiating and others who did believe, it wasn’t just May. To think we could have got a much better deal isn’t realistic. But you can see that EUs point of view. We have a very split country and parliament and I can’t see a deal that would satisfy more than half. We are not going to get a free trade deal without free movement of people, it’s going to be something else. Quite a few people I know who voted leave wanted to be in the free market, but wanted control over immigration (or from the ECJ etc). This has been twisted by the hard brexiteers that people voted to leave the single market without any sort of deal. It could be argued that people voted leave to stop the Brussels gravy train. Therefore we shouldn’t pay any Eurocrats wages or pensions. Starting with Farage, but of course he disagrees.

[tim 3] 30/12/2018 14:18

Agree May is in an impossible position but she never should have been the one negotiating. She believes we are better of in and the EU know that so she is negotiating for something she does not believe in, was never going to end well!

[poikka] 30/12/2018 14:13

Personally, I have no reason to doubt that Capp runs a biz., just that he needs to spend more time on that than on ADVFN. Dyson no longer manufactures over here, but he does run a design business and the Dyson I.o.T. Why do folk try to knock entrepreneurs just to justify their take on the EU? Madness, but that's Remoaners all over for you.

[grannyboy] 30/12/2018 13:59

The gangsters treat everyone who lets them with contempt, they have form especially when it comes to ignoring referendums, or just ignoring the wishes of the populations... Once the gangsters have finished using the Irish republic for the red herring irish border con..the Irish will be told to get back into line...

[essentialinvestor] 30/12/2018 13:54

Dyson does not manufacture in the UK.

[gaffer73] 30/12/2018 13:52

Who's to say if he has or not, it doesn't make any difference. I can't believe any business man wouldn't prepare for the inevitable, silly not to. Yes, May has made a complete mess of it but that is due to the EU's complete ignorance towards the UK.

[gaffer73] 30/12/2018 13:36

So what changes do you need to make? If there are changes needed I can't believe that you, as a successful business man, has not bothered to prepare for Brexit. It is happening and the sooner people face up to it the better.

[grannyboy] 30/12/2018 13:35

NO..The country voted to LEAVE the EU, which meant leaving the Single market,leaving the customs union, and leaving the jurisdiction of the ECJ... Prior to the referendum that's what EVERY MP stated over and over again..whatever their hue. It's not a matter of being far right or not...everyone knew what the consequences were..it's only through May and the establishment's delaying tactics and B.I.N.O. May deal that is and has caused ALL the uncertaintity... Where is the risk in taking back control of our borders if we LEAVE..whereas staying in weakens and destroys our ability as to who can come and who can't.. No one forced May to become PM, she chose that out of choice of seeing through the eu agenda, she is and always will be a remainer..her loyalties lie with her masters in brussels.. And as for you remoaners shouting for another LOSERS vote, with the old nutmeg of voters not knowing what they were voting for, just shows with these continuous claims, that it's the remainers that didn't know what they were voting for and are the stupid ones.. Which is shown by their falling for the political establishments and the fawning MSM's hype of armageddon...Yes there will be disruption, but for a short period...The Germans will still want to export their cars to us..the French their Champaign and cheese..And trade will carry on under WTO trade terms..so NO country can delay, disrupt or anything else..

[essentialinvestor] 30/12/2018 13:14

Andy, interesting to hear from someone running a decent sized business. While I have a huge amount of respect for Tim Martin in business terms, a pub business faces far fewer challenges than say a manufacturing company. Same with James Dyson, he does not manufacture in the UK. The divisiveness of another referendum would be appalling, Corbyn loathes the EU, so I think ultimately Labour backs May, following some changes to her deal. That might be after an A50 extension. It's that, a general election, or another referendum. No deal very unlikely imv. The TUC already applying huge pressure on Labour to ensure a no deal does not happen.

[bothdavis] 30/12/2018 12:50

Personally, I believe Mrs May has been dealt the worst hand ANY Prime Minister has ever had. Whatever deal she managed to negotiate it was going to be unpopular: The hard right want to leave whatever the cost to the country, the Remainers want the softest 'leave', then the Labour party will vote against or merely not make any decisions so that the Conservatives will bear the brunt of the post Bexit electorate, then the other prospective Conservative 'leaders' will moan and groan against whatever is negotiated to placate their supporters. I believe that we are better off with a new vote: we had no idea prior or during the last Referendum as to the quantifiable risks to our borders, the Northen Irish border, the risks to trade, imports of food stuffs and medicines, the delays to exports etc All we had were numbers plucked out of the air by Johnson and co which are now to be seen as derisible nonsense.

[tim 3] 30/12/2018 12:31

I think many of those like myself unsure of the best way to go have been swayed by the blatant arrogance of the EU during these negotiations it makes me more inclined to say right stuff you we will take the chance and leave altogether with no deal.May was never the right person to negotiate needed someone far stronger not afraid to call their bluff.

[grannyboy] 30/12/2018 12:15

May's negotiation stance from the off was all wrong...We should have left on WTO terms from the off, then we could and should have negotiated trade deals from outside the gangsters club, but May was and is a remainer and she was talking to the gangsters as if we were friends and that the gangsters would reciprocate Mays feelings of friendship...but anyone who has studied the gangsters will know friendship does not come into the equation with the eu ideology, and their plans for a federlist europe.. And you might claim that the eu does not have an effect or cost you much money, is false..because there is, whether in monetary terms or freedom and democracy... IT'S SOVEREIGNTY !!!!!