Versarien Share Discussion Threads

[grabster] 29/1/2020 10:49

So Tom and Lucian have fallen out over Versarien. (Not bothered clicking to see why)

[club sandwich] 29/1/2020 10:47

Ready to Trade Brexit Campaign to Launch This Weekend

[club sandwich] 29/1/2020 10:40

Irritable Procrastination?

Yes, I have heard of IP. My point was *precisely* that the current MC is based *entirely* on VRS's IP, where the bulls are claiming none of it is priced in.

Clear now?

[rogerbridge] 29/1/2020 10:37

CS, I take you have never heard of IP either.

[hew] 29/1/2020 10:34

LO, Indeed! And no apparent relation to graphene nanoflake behaviour. A layer of engineering at least an order of magnitude down. And AFAIK physical impact doesn't come into graphene use in microcircuits either.

[evergreen8] 29/1/2020 10:28

This morning as a result of the sale of stock outnumbering the purchase by only 0.006% of the total number of shares issued the MM dropped the share price by 2.6%. Seems a bit disproportionate to me with a ratio of 444:1.

Well that’s ok as long as the MM apply the same ratios when the trend goes the other way.

With good news being imminent on a number of fronts these are indeed very exciting times.

GLALTH

[club sandwich] 29/1/2020 10:26

"As Roger has pointed out, the VRS technology is no way priced in"

VRS MC currently £100m+. What the hell is that based on if not VRS 2D tech? It's not based on (declining) revenues from the legacy businesses, is it?

It's not underpinned by current revenues from 2D materials is it? Because there *aren't* any, are there?

Delusional nonsense.

[rogerbridge] 29/1/2020 10:21

As Roger has pointed out, the VRS technology is no way priced in.
It gives me a great deal of satisfaction to hear that the VRS Polygrene is absolutely the best material to use in this application and it really flows well during 3D printing.
Lifetime of 100+ years and it can be ground up for reuse, how environmentally friendly is that.

[luckyorange] 29/1/2020 10:17

I took it as shattering after being punched a billion times in the face hew.... don't blame it though ;)

[hew] 29/1/2020 10:12

sequoia, interesting re one billion cycles before "breaking". I'm interested in whether the term "break" is truly appropriate, re the para:

“Unlike metals, there is no progressive damage during fatigue loading of graphene,” says Sun. “Its failure is global and catastrophic, confirming simulation results.”

Might the effect be simply a very infrequent quantum occurrence of a "hole" of some sort? I'd like to see that experiment repeated enough times to get stats on the frequency and distribution of such events. And know of the basis of the simulation. If a random distribution the "break" could happen any time - not a good basis for engineering!

The GO case was more as would be expected and could be referred to as a "break" with the usual meaning.

Glad that those actually knowing something about the subject are " working on some new theories to try and understand this.” I make no claims!

No relevance to VRS applications and benefits of graphene - yet, perhaps!

[club sandwich] 29/1/2020 10:12

You don't have a clue when these mythical deals are going to arrive, do you? As the days, weeks, months (indeed, years) slip by you retreat ever-more into dogmatism and fanaticism in the face of Ricketts' disgraceful and total failure to deliver.

I totally agree that SOMEONE will make a fortune out of graphene and 2D - but it won't be VRS while that useless incompetent Ricketts 'runs' it...

[luckyorange] 29/1/2020 10:04

Enough with the testing already , bloody procrastination 😁

[club sandwich] 29/1/2020 09:41

Alchemy.

When?

[alchemy] 29/1/2020 09:40

It's good of people to look analyse and comment on level 2 and decimal points of our chosen investment vehicle.But I'm into fractals ( not fractions , I'd be fractious about them).So, 8 bagging, 64 bagging and beyond.3 bagging, 9 bagging and beyond You get my drift?

[luckyorange] 29/1/2020 09:25

Thanks 66 , had a look and it does highlight the difference between graphene and graphene oxide which has answered one of my many questions 👍

"Using an atomic force microscope, Cui then lowered a diamond-tipped probe into the hole to push on the graphene sheet, applying anywhere from 20 to 85 per cent of the force that he knew would break the material.

“We ran the cycles at a rate of 100,000 times per second,” says Cui. “Even at 70 per cent of the maximum stress, the graphene didn’t break for more than three hours, which works out to over a billion cycles. At lower stress levels, some of our trials ran for more than 17 hours.”

As with the simulations, the graphene didn’t accumulate cracks or other tell-tale signs of stress — it either broke or it didn’t.

“Unlike metals, there is no progressive damage during fatigue loading of graphene,” says Sun. “Its failure is global and catastrophic, confirming simulation results.”

The team also tested a related material, graphene oxide, which has small groups of atoms such as oxygen and hydrogen bonded to both the top and bottom of the sheet. Its fatigue behaviour was more like traditional materials, in that the failure was more progressive and localized. This suggests that the simple, regular structure of graphene is a major contributor to its unique properties."

[club sandwich] 29/1/2020 09:20

"The Arch must be the biggest graphene achievement by any company to date. It is a true engineering solution to a huge everyday problem."

That's as may be - it could be the best product in the history of the world, but it's of no value to VRS and of no use to the customer until it is ordered, paid for, manufactured and deployed.

Or is that too straightforward?

So when are the actual ORDERS going to arrive then?

[66sequoia] 29/1/2020 09:11

There are no other materials that have been studied under fatigue conditions that behave the way graphene does," says Filleter. "We're still working on some new theories to try and understand this." ......

[66sequoia] 29/1/2020 09:08

hTTps://news.engineering.utoronto.ca/wont-crack-under-pressure-stress-test-reveals-graphene-can-withstand-more-than-one-billion-cycles-before-breaking/ .......Nothing about VRS, but an interesting little read on more of the remarkable qualities of graphene and why it WILL be in almost everything in years to come. Put your gum shields in, dodge the hooks from the sad sacks and your time will come.

[tim3416] 29/1/2020 09:04

Now they have dropped the bid they are willing to take 100k @74.19 online for info.

[verger] 29/1/2020 09:03

The AECOM arch not only exhibits excellent new qualities but it also will enable them to do in one shift what would have normally taken four shifts. Their words. Price that!

[vice versa] 29/1/2020 09:02

Hattie, there may be a light at the end of the tunnel. Unless it's the arch villains, L.L. with a box of matches and a canister of C.S. gas. Guilty as charged!!!

[grabster] 29/1/2020 09:01

In that arch threesome - Aecom-Scaled-Versarien, Versarien is described by Aecom as Aecom's material partner. Scaled, in other words, used a material which Aecom had chosen to source from Versarien. (Rather than it being Scaled who found Versarien to fulfil an Aecom commission).

I wonder if that 'arranged marriage' has prompted Scaled to employ Versarien material in printed projects for other customers of theirs?

[luckyorange] 29/1/2020 08:57

As said before the signalling system is a key political point for the prospective mayors and upgrading of it will be a priority surely as the delays are so regular now that 20 minutes is not unusual.

[woodpeckers] 29/1/2020 08:56

The Arch must be the biggest graphene achievement by any company to date. It is a true engineering solution to a huge everyday problem.

"the concept of CNCTArch in response to its transport clients’ challenges around the cost and time of digitising the signalling systems on their networks."

Mark Southwell, Aecom managing director – civil infrastructure UK & Ireland, said: “With many of our global transport clients facing capacity and performance pressures, they are looking for cheaper, faster and safer ways to modernise their networks. Aecom’s CNCTArch is a great example of how our people are innovating to find solutions in response to specific client challenges. Finding new ways to drive the greatest efficiencies and minimise disruptions for passengers are key as our clients look to digitise their networks.

“Working with SMEs, we’re using the very latest 3D-printing techniques and graphene materials to develop our product. Installing the arch on the outdoor track and working with Network Rail to test its performance is an important step towards gaining product acceptance and bringing the CNCTArch to market.”