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[festario] 13/1/2020 23:20

No Grabster, in my opinion it's not appropriate, not appropriate at all. It's irregular, unseemly, and depending on Terrance's answers to my questions, possibly quite improper.He invited questions, and I've sent him some serious ones.

[supernumerary] 13/1/2020 23:09

mavvy - too sensitive by half - I thought it was remiss of you to omit the usual health warning, although I guess we've all worked out by now that you really do know nothing.

Apart from that, you just regurgitated a load of old boilerplate with no added value on your part, implying that it somehow supported your 'investment' in VRS. In fact, in conjunction with the video link you posted earlier and the BIGT link someone else posted a few days ago, all it does is demonstrate what fearsome competition the Chinese are building.

Don't worry though, I'm sure you'll know something before this is all through; I just hope the lesson isn't too painful...

PS I just gave the gerbil a downtick for idiocy - the usual reason :)

[superg1] 13/1/2020 23:00

That's one hell of a post form the Graphene Council

Just wait lying crew and co until the full picture evolves and certain large shareholders with long memories are sitting on many millions looking to even up the score for all the false information and harassment.

You can scream the victims all you like, it's well known typical distraction technique by scumbags, mummy, mummy, mummy......

You think this is some silly game that you have played over and over. So we'll wait how things evolve over time.

[festario] 13/1/2020 22:53

I'm just puzzled by this odd intervention.Is Terrance trying to do VRS a favour by posting this? If so... what is his motivation?I think it's had the opposite effect by the way.Or is Terrance trying to make his organisation look more relevant than it is?As Elton John might have said.... it's becoming more and more absurd.

[mavfav] 13/1/2020 22:52

Now I'm not an expert and I hear what you are saying but if they have undertaken sufficient due diligence to allow them to work in the nuclear industry I guess they pretty much validate that as being tested and certified etc https://www.npl.co.uk/nuclear-metrologyOf course it would still be subject to functional testingI know nooothing

[superg1] 13/1/2020 22:50

Schmally

re others that can produce graphene but not at scale.

Here is one it's synthetic producer (gas cracking) and we have discussed them a fee times over the years .

Cambridge nano

The problem with synthetic as I have mentioned many times is they can't get good aspect ratios. EG in this case the lateral is 400-475 nm. It's the same across all synthetic producers not that there are many of them.

They do 3 grades

G1 3 layers plus or minus 2

1 gram is £240, they offer up to max of 100 grams at £35 per gram.

G2 8 layers plus or minus 5 layers

10 grams £84 per gram
100grams £18.40 per gram

max 500 grams.

G3 goes over the graphene standard 9 plus or minus 6

Up to 1kg where it is 84 pence per gram.

The minimum amount you can buy is 50 grams around £3.60 per gram.

A kg of G3 is the about the same price as 4 grams of G1.


There is massive difference in performance as we have discussed many times. As demonstrated by them there is also a massive difference in price.


There is a massive difference in the understanding of the fraudsters here, compared to the PIs that have done the research, and the view of Graphene Council.

The graphene council know damn well, I and other PIs are absolutely spot on.

[loglorry1] 13/1/2020 22:48

Festario I think the fee for verification over and above testing fees incurred is important here. He states

"To be very clear, The Graphene Council and myself personally are completely independent. We do not have any interest in nor do we get commissions or incentives from any graphene company or any other company for that matter."

He doesn't say what he charges for Verification which is quite something else. It's an important point and I hope he can enlighten shareholders.

I'm pretty sure Versarien carried out similar tests of their products using NPL.anyway so it would be interesting to know what extra they did over and above this.

Fascinating stuff let's hope he's able to provide some more information.

[festario] 13/1/2020 22:39

I've contacted Terrance directly for answers to my questions, and he has replied from his official GC email account, claiming he can't see them.... so I've pointed them out again.My questions are nothing technical, purely one word or one sentence answers.However they are extremely important, if the Graphene Council is maintain any semblance of independence or professionalism.

[mavfav] 13/1/2020 22:35

Out of curiosity I'd be interested to hear sound reasoning that caused someone to vote down my post.The content bar my obvious personal comments are publicly available information and when put together with other pieces of the jigsaw sound very promising.It's almost like a planned strategyI am have to hear reasoned comments https://uk.advfn.com/cmn/fbb/thread.php3?id=42229282&from=89218#firstpostI know nooothing

[luckyorange] 13/1/2020 22:34

Someone in trouble?

[superg1] 13/1/2020 22:33

Well you can't argue with that, thanks for the post.

As we all know Loggy and co work on lies and edit to spread fear for personal gain.

Aka fraud by false representation. Any fraud to cause loss or gain for himself or another.

All you need for the offence to be complete is for someone to fall for it and lose money as a result.(-;

[loglorry1] 13/1/2020 22:18

@TheGrapheneCouncil could you also please tell me what the $ turnover of your organisation is, can refer me to a copy of your accounts? How many employees do you have and do they or you hold any tertiary qualifications in the field of nano-material research PhD, MSc etc. ?

[mavfav] 13/1/2020 22:14

I see some serious trash talking going on here so thought I'd try to set something worthy I was just looking back at a 2018 conference in China and saw the following. Now I've re read that a number of times and yes I do have rose tinted glasses but what I see is a strategy that China is deploying. I read it as all the below "could" be built around having the right resource in place and I believe the Chinese gov want us involved in this strategy as seen in the ongoing talks. This is a big cog being put in place with serious financial backing and consideration. Obviously this was from 2018 and given the magnitude I can understand the reason for taking time. Beijing first maybe? I imagine us being slap bang in the middle. Based on Beijing Fangshan District and embracing the international market, we will build a "new material+" industry incubator network with graphene industry as the starting point, realize the comprehensive docking of production, learning, research and use from links such as resource, industry, technology and finance, and strengthen scientific and technological exchanges to improve the core competitiveness of Fangshan District and achieve the high-quality development of new materials industry.Beijing Graphene Industry Innovation Center is mainly composed of Beijing Institute of Graphene Technology, Beijing Graphene Institute and CIGIU, which forms a "one body and two wings" pattern. It has gathered the advantages of optimal resources, built a multi-level talent incentive mechanism, established a "public intelligence" R&D model, and a shared industrial public land.Graphene ProjectsGraphene film with large-sized & volume production technologyGraphene Applied Technology Research: Graphene Rubber MaterialsGraphene Applied Technology Research: graphene paint and coating materialsGraphene Applied Technology Research: CFRPGraphene Applied Technology Research: wear resistance technologyGraphene Applied Technology Resources: Aluminum alloy cableGraphene nano-flakes (GNFs) & GNFs surface molecular modification technologySupported byFangshan Investment Promotion BureauBeijing Fangshan Commission of Economy and Information TechnologyBeijing Fangshan Commission of Science and Technologythe Managing Committee of Beijing Petrochemical New Materials High-tech industry BaseAECC Beijing Institute of Aeronautical MaterialsBeijing Institute of Graphene TechnologyPeking University Alumni Association

[tim3416] 13/1/2020 21:51

Loggy backtracking now, panicking and writing lots of words to try and sound clever and unflustered...that's it, front it out log...funny lol :-)

[loglorry1] 13/1/2020 21:47

@TheGrapheneCouncil thanks for posting. I did attribute a statement to you earlier but quickly posted to correct that as the actual content of what I stated was attributed to James Baker in and interview you did with him. It was also stated in other sources. I've posted these sources already to support my statement and corrected this. I think I made that clear at the time.

I don't think I ever said you were "hawking some Internet Products", so please don't misquote me. Your linked in profile is presumably a fair reflection of your business life?

If you have time perhaps you can publicly answer these questions to set the record straight.

a) Does the Verification process test to some independent standard or test that the companies product meets it's own data sheet specification?

b) In the case of Versarien was this carried out to the datasheet that is publicly available on their website here In summary do they set their own bar?

c) What fee did Versarien pay for Verification over and above testing fees incurred at NPL etc. ?

d) Versarien state that the Verification Program "requires not only the ability to produce graphene to a declared specification, but to be able to do so at a commercial scale.". Please can you define Commercial Scale numerically in this case e.g. X tonnes per year production or how many Kg are produced in a 8 hour shift?

e) In the same RNS Versarien state "the graphene we produce meets globally accepted standards". One of which is surely environmental standards. Can you confirm or deny that the Versarien process uses only a mechano-chemical process, natural flake graphite, water, and electricity as claimed here by another producer ?

f) Can you comment on the very low Specific Surface Area (compared to other GnP sources) of Nanene and perhaps explain why it is subject to re-stacking and how that affects its usability?

g) Can you comment on the relatively low lateral size at the low end (compared to other GnP sources) of Nanene and perhaps explain how that might affects its usability?

h) Would you provide a range of prices per Kg that you expect best represents the current market value for the type of graphene that was tested during the verification process?

i) Would you agree that good quality GnP graphene is becoming available from a number of sources now (although not yet Verified under your program) at much lower prices <$150/kg in much larger quantities e.g. many tonnes per year?

j) What would you say in response to the claim that ALL other producers of graphene are fake in the sense that they cannot live up to the claims they make publicly but in fact produce far inferior (based on its intended use) graphene than Versarien graphenes?

Many thanks

EDIT: I've emailed this to the good Mr. Barkan so hopefully he'll respond in full.

[vice versa] 13/1/2020 21:47

Perhaps the G.C. approached their attorney for an opinion on whether it had a case for slander. A.D.V.F.N. perhaps would not disclose details on the person in question but may have suggested a rebuttal of the allegedly untrue claims could be made in the way it has been.

[tim3416] 13/1/2020 21:36

Don't think about it too hard...lol :-)

[tim3416] 13/1/2020 21:28

Oh Fest, you are being well tough and clever tonight....you've got him on the ropes now lol :-)

[festario] 13/1/2020 21:19

Mr Barkan, another serious question.Please will you disclose openly whether you personally, or the organisation you represent, hold any shares in VRS?

[festario] 13/1/2020 21:16

Also, please enlighten me as to why such a serious organisation feels the need to come to a free public bulletin board where the purpose is to discuss stocks and shares?Are you hoping to influence the share price of this company by making this impassioned statement?