Versarien Share Discussion Threads

[luckyorange] 13/1/2020 18:14

A busy day for logworry 🐝👿

[loglorry1] 13/1/2020 18:09

LOL! Yeah that's worth at least £50m on the market cap. You do make me laugh.

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Vrs in a unique position

Hence govt secondees.

[jointer13] 13/1/2020 18:02

Vrs in a unique position

Hence govt secondees.

[luckyorange] 13/1/2020 18:00

Loving it when experts pop up who have never posted before and it usually starts with that statement, getting so much enjoyment out of this lately 🤣

[1teepee] 13/1/2020 17:59

Very stupid post matey boy. Time to put the sheep coat on

[rovi70] 13/1/2020 17:58

and we wait!

[jointer13] 13/1/2020 17:58

Anyone with a brain cell would realise the importance of having a verified quality material.

Do you think that the likes of airbus would use anything else.

Hint....think about it.

[1teepee] 13/1/2020 17:57

Cannabis is said to be great for the aches and pains of old age. Also it's a neuroprotective agent. The Israel DF use it

[hindsight2] 13/1/2020 17:53

Never commented on this before but have followed with interest and I'm not a holder. Anyone who thinks "verification" has any value may well be deluding themselves, any high value purchaser will a) expect the product to meet specification and b) will test to ensure it does anyway. They will do this irrespective of whether the supplier has some sort of verification or ISO label attached so it's nothing that merits any particular value to a purchaser. Good to put out on an RNS and spin spin spin.

[loglorry1] 13/1/2020 17:32

@schmally but the problem you have is that the other producers are targeting the exact same markets VRS says it is and in many cases much more successfully (although nobody is doing very well).

It's convenient for your argument to try to spin this idea that VRS is high grade, and thus commands a much higher price. Problem is there's nothing to suggest that is the case.

Where is all the independent research that shows that Nanene works so much better in a group of applications than anything else? There isn't any. Surely by now the master of spin Neill Ricketts would have had a bit of plastic tested which was Nanene enhanced vs say Graphene-Black enhanced to show it was stronger. Or that Versarien graphene ink is more conductive than a competitor.

I know you'll try to quote the verification program but as has been shown all that does is show they meet their own data sheet properties.

[schmally] 13/1/2020 17:29

Bisho, on the subject of turmeric you need to heat the turmeric with black pepper to get sufficient health benefit. The Piperine in the pepper helps your body to absorb sufficient levels of Curcumin in the turmeric, plus Piperine also helps with digestion. If you also heat it with organic coconut oil it helps prevent bacterial growth so you can store a load in the fridge once cooked for about a month. I won’t bore anyone any further on the subject😀

[rockraven] 13/1/2020 17:22

loglorry1 - i don't think grabster will have seen your messages to him (89142 and others) as he has you filtered. Hence him only quoting you second hand via someone else's copy of something you said. You will have to pm him if you want him to hear you. (though I am unsure if pm works when sender is filtered)

[schmally] 13/1/2020 17:21

Who’s Malcolm?

[festario] 13/1/2020 17:19

But don't worry Malcolm, you are all safe in your private chat groups.... or... are you?? ??

[festario] 13/1/2020 17:16

Carry on Festering.

[festario] 13/1/2020 17:16

Fest will indeed continue to Fester, yes, that's got a nice ring to it.

[schmally] 13/1/2020 17:06

Fest, It seems your last post sums up your childish personality and insecurities in one succinct sentence. It seems Fest will continue to Fester.

[bisho4] 13/1/2020 17:04

I recommend buying fresh turmeric root. Very cheap, very fresh. Has an earthy floral taste.

Treat it like ginger, and use it in all the same applications you would use ginger, sliced in a hot drink with honey, warmed in a pan with sugar as a mixer for alcoholic drinks, freshly grated into sauces and curries.

[schmally] 13/1/2020 17:03

Log, Obvious really, It's because it's widely accepted by industry experts that both markets are distinctly different both in terms of end product application and quality requirements. One market requires consistent provision of high quality accredited material, whereas the other only requires production of low grade (even variable grades will suffice in some applications), some of which will still provide material gains outside of the parameters of what will be viewed as genuine grapheme as per ISO and independent accreditation standards.

To suggest the two markets will have any significant convergence (for the next few years at least) is deluded and goes against all of the established thinking regarding the market.

I'm concerned that you appear so detached from the realities of the market, but then try and present yourself as in any way knowledgeable about it. I pity the subscribers of Share Prophets reliant on your mob to put together any meaningful analysis or recommendations

[festario] 13/1/2020 16:57

Thanks Smelly, yeah, I'll stick around. Who knows, I might buy some VRS again in the future.

[loglorry1] 13/1/2020 16:55

@schmally why isn't your group 2 and 3 the same thing. There's nothing to suggest otherwise out there. It's convenient for the bulls to argue that Nanene is so much better than the rest so it can demand a higher price point for a sufficiently big
market place. There's nothing to suggest this is the case however. In fact even if it is 10% more efficacious for an application it can still be out sold by a product 50% cheaper if all the end users does increase the loading slightly to get the same properties.

Further it makes perfect sense to argue for mass market applications like concrete rubber and mainstream plastics (often argued here as end markets for Nanene) you need very low costs coupled with a highly scale-able solution. The cost of concrete is so frighteningly small that you can't afford to put much Nanene in it even if it does make it stronger.

The other possibility is that you don't need much Nanene compared to other graphene but where are the numerical trials of Nanene published in peer reviewed articles and journals that show this to be the case?

If I were Versarien I'd be all over this. I'd have all sorts of peer reviewed academic articles showing my graphene was the best as measured by the properties it imparts to materials when added. Why hide all this data?

The people in the industry I've talked to say is horses for courses. The application determines what is best so there is no best graphene anyway. This is why the only real way to determine success is via sales.

Presumably your supreme confidence is begat by the huge $ value of orders that VRS has accomplished to date?

There is a market for all 3, but I remain convinced and supremely confident that VRS occupy the sweet spot, with the most opportunities to cement them as a global leader with a wide moat.

[schmally] 13/1/2020 16:51

Fest, But if, as it appears you are now so convinced that VRS is a poor investment and not delivering on your expectations, why do you expect it to rise back to the level you want before selling your remaining shares.

Surely you should be looking to get out now while you can. It would certainly be refreshing to see the back of you once and for all, as you'll also take Dean with you (although I now think he actually has you sussed). Mind you, I'm sure that you'd still linger on the board like a bad smell even if you sold all your shares.

Go on, sell up once and for all. Nobody cares!!

[alchemy] 13/1/2020 16:51

New thread by a capitulator. It's sad . It is taking its toll.Intestinal fortitude needed here.

[festario] 13/1/2020 16:34

No Phoenix, nothing today. Not that desperate to lose money.