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[66sequoia] 10/10/2019 13:41

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[club sandwich] 10/10/2019 13:39

120kg of polygrene.

we don't know the loading (ie percentage) of nanene...

[philbyk18] 10/10/2019 13:38

Sorry to bang on but this just highlights my frustration. If it is 1% graphene that would be 800 per tonne. If 50% it would be 16. VRS are potential gearing up for tonnes of capacity but I cannot link that to sales at this stage.

[philbyk18] 10/10/2019 13:29

World Graphene Council suggests otherwisehttp://www.manufacturing-today-europe.com/2019/06/17/the-graphene-council/

[davemac3] 10/10/2019 13:27

Club, not 120kg of graphene, I thought 2 blokes could carry the arch so probably 120kg total weight, I don't know how much graphene in that.

[laginaneil] 10/10/2019 13:24

Morning Topbutton,

Neill said in podcast '..get the testing done, a lot of it is done independently..'

if that helps !

[philbyk18] 10/10/2019 13:23

Thanks for comment but it still remains to be established what volumes will be required for each project hence my question re Aecom Arch and how much it uses. I have no clue. It seems at odds to have a completely different margin for a material that is equally important to FMCG market and high tech. Would NASA really want to subsidise say a clothing range with a higher unit price. I very much doubt it. Fundamentally one of business plan issues with graphene for me is that it is such a remarkable material only small amounts are required to greatly enhance the end users product. It can also be made relatively inexpensive for the improvements it provides. Hence an earphone manufacturer and massive infrastructure project can be revolutionised by its use by how do you price for both. Focus please Mr Ricketts

[club sandwich] 10/10/2019 13:22

Philby - 120kg per arch, so roughly 8 per T.

[squire007] 10/10/2019 13:15

Of course the collaborator does the testing, the amount of work thats gone in well before that is outstanding. Costs benefits etc .... wakey wakey time :-)

[philbyk18] 10/10/2019 13:06

See belowTherefore, I would strongly advise end users to collaborate with a producer or an integrator who possesses the knowledge and the experience to do the dispersion, in order to get the desired result.

[philbyk18] 10/10/2019 13:03

Does any one know how much graphene is used in each Aecom Arch? Sorry if this has been dealt with previously.

[top button ol but] 10/10/2019 12:54

Philby - How do you know VRS does the testing? Can you back this up?
My experience in this field is that the collaborator does the testing and that all info is shared as per NDA and Collaboration agreement. GLATH, TBOB

[richie32] 10/10/2019 12:32

Philbyk18

I believe that the volume is in packaging.

However volume requires lower margins so the lower volume high margin stuff is the low hanging fruit for now (e.g. aerospace).

Once we get into volume, packaging is the big thing imho

[philbyk18] 10/10/2019 12:17

My point exactly! The collaboration firm gets VRS to test the host product on how it can be improved by graphene. The result is not unsurprising as suggested in your post they need very little graphene To make a discernible difference. Therefore low order volumes. But still you keep on Getting excited about about products like graphene enhanced earphones! One would guess not much volume there. Where is the volume? Are they sticking to the five core areas? Nobody knows even want to play are?

[tini5] 10/10/2019 12:02

Marathon analogy is spot on Grouch. Look what happened to the vanity graphene projects such as graphene golf balls - nobody cares. Aecom is using it to develop (have developed!) a real product to solve real life problems.

Expecting textiles to take off in a big way in the not too distant future. I thought the shirt that was passed around at the AGM had a really high quality feel to it.

Looking forward to seeing next-gen clothing in the shops.

[davemac3] 10/10/2019 11:56

luckyorange10 Oct '19 - 08:05 - 80404 of 80437
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Terrance explained it well ,

"the challenge for manufacturers is to understand how to disperse the graphene into the host matrix, i.e., the material they are adding it to, because we are talking about a nanomaterial, working with which requires extra precision. Therefore, I would strongly advise end users to collaborate with a producer or an integrator who possesses the knowledge and the experience to do the dispersion, in order to get the desired result,�

Not a matter of just throwing it into the mix and need to work closely with the company supplying the product to get the best end result (as Aecom have done with the Polygrene) not a simple process and important to have that reciprocity.



I thought that's why VRS developed Polygrene

[rogerthegrouch] 10/10/2019 11:53

Woody I think some people still think that the golf balls and tennis rackets containing graphite is actually Graphene (lol). In the race analogy, they've been or about to be called back for a false start

[rogerthegrouch] 10/10/2019 11:50

It is indeed a race, but be careful you are not fielding a sprinter in a marathon.

Sure, we need a runner that is quick out the blocks, but also one that has put in all the hard graft to ensure he can go the distance.

[rovi70] 10/10/2019 11:35

PERPETUUS ADVANCED MATERIALS?

[alchemy] 10/10/2019 10:51

By the big boys that is.

[alchemy] 10/10/2019 10:48

Does any one know if this can be bought off the bid?

[1retirement] 10/10/2019 10:41

Can we have you verified?

[luckyorange] 10/10/2019 10:41

Note all of the round no.s in the trades ade and the repeated ones on the other side.