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[1teepee] 09/7/2019 03:34

You are filtered so unsure what you saying. I can only enjoy the pictures posted by others and not your words unfortunately for yourself

[2dinvestor] 08/7/2019 21:58

Agreed Bobsworth and I'd love to know what those numbers must look like now. When it comes let's hope it's the steepest 'S' curve yet for a disruption.

[1teepee] 08/7/2019 21:58

Love the cone head pictures and caveman fest ones. Well funny, what a service;)

[1teepee] 08/7/2019 21:53

5000 to be exact:)

[bobsworth] 08/7/2019 21:49

2Dinvestor that’s one hell of a conveyor belt !

No wonder VRS are focussed on a China BIGT cash investment deal and soon!

They are going to need all of that cash and more if endless orders start rolling of that conveyor belt!

Mind blowing stuff!

[2dinvestor] 08/7/2019 21:38

Just rereading my notes from the GEIC investors day. I was on the afternoon slot if anyone wants to correct this? At the time I noted the following. 67 relationships exc China & Korea, 20 formal, 47 under NDA, 27 global. Not all follow the path of NDA - collab - order, some can jump straight to an order from NDA. Even if there have been no new hooks since the GEIC (and we know there have been plenty) it gives you a feel for a significant conveyor - belt of news over the next few months!

[ellissj] 08/7/2019 21:26

Well indeed sands. I think from memory a figure of 2000 at present were mentioned ? Clearly a materials revolution. Atb ellis

[sandbag] 08/7/2019 21:23

Ellissj,

I seem to remember NR stating during one interview that there could be thousands of new materials but I can't find any reference to it.

The younger investors here have an amazing future to look forward to.

[ellissj] 08/7/2019 21:15

Thanks sands, and with that report over 2 years old now, i wonder what the list of materials might look like now. And i suspect vrs would get the odd mention or 2, being world leaders in our field ! Best ellis

[sandbag] 08/7/2019 20:49

ellissj,

Don't forget that there are at least 29 Non-Carbon 2D materials which have other qualities. Graphene alone may not be the answer but there are other strings to the company's bow.

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[ellissj] 08/7/2019 20:32

Thanks serratia :) Just wondered if vrs graphene could sufficiently increase the generation efficency past a tipping point of viability that couldn't be ignored. (Ie compete with standard size wind turbines). Via Less drag, greater speed, better electricity generation? that might be too simple ! Atb ellis

[serratia] 08/7/2019 20:12

ellissg,

Not sure of the relationship between weight and power generation but I'll see what I can come up with.

[rogerbridge] 08/7/2019 19:59

We are certainly gaining traction.
A few more of these orders mixed in with AECOM, China and some of the 5 and we will certainly be talking about multiples of the share price

[festario] 08/7/2019 19:23

But correct

[ellissj] 08/7/2019 17:41

Interesting serratia. What's your view of this tidal power electricity generator. Looks like it's lightweight carbon fibre structure is key to it's success. I wonder if a stronger, thinner graphene carbon fibre could provide greater efficiencies still further ie larger, less drag, more speed, and carrying a bigger turbine ? Best ellis


"...Electricity from those slower currents.

Competetive advantages

Market exclusivity

Deep Green is the only known technology to cost-effectively produce electricity at sites with velocities between 1.2–2.4 m/s and depths between 60–120 meters.

Small in size and lightweight

The device weighs up to 15 times less per MW than competing technologies.

Low-cost offshore operations

Smaller vessels and equipment are used for installation, service and maintenance. Detachable design concept enables service and maintenance on shore.

No visual, minimal environmental impact

Deep Green operates completely submerged at least 20 meter below the water surface.

Predictable electricity production

Tides are generated by the relative motion of the Earth, sun and moon, which can be calculated with almost 100% accuracy. Ocean currents are nearly constant.

Utilisation of ocean currents

The ability to operate at low velocities makes Minesto's Deep Green the only technology to be cost-efficient in both tidal and ocean currents.

Technology and project development

Deep Green has been undergoing extensive ocean testing in scale model for more than five years, during which operational functionality and power production have been verified and gradually improved. The project to manufacture and commission the first commercial-scale device is well underway. Read more under Projects...."


"...As an engineer, I always have been interested in renewable energy and technical inventions. In year 2001, I was the project leader for a pre-study on long carbon fiber blade for large wind turbines at the Swedish aircraft manufacturer Saab. In parallel, I studied the economics of scale of wind turbines and different turbine concepts, especially vertical axis configurations, H-rotors and the Giromill concept from McDonnell Aircraft.

During this period, I came across a study which predicted the weight for a MW machine to hundreds of tonnes due to the need of large swept area and the low air density. Because of these limitations, I began to look for alternative solutions with light-weight construction. As carbon fiber is compatible with salt water and water is about 800 times denser than air, I found that the H-rotor machine would be smaller, more weight and cost efficient in tidal currents. Then I realised that the cross arm and tower could be even lighter if a high-speed turbine and a generator was attached directly to the blade.

The outcome was a compact, efficient tidal power plant – able to sweep large areas, much more efficient than rotors on static structures.No mechanical moment was then transmitted through the cross arm and tower. In the next step, I replaced the cross arm and the tower with a wire attached to the bottom. This concept was possible if the blade or wing moved across the current all the time in a circular or an eight-shaped path, steered by a rudder (in the same way as the blades move on a horizontal axis wind turbine).

After discussions with hydrodynamic specialists the outcome was a compact, efficient tidal power plant – able to sweep large areas, much more efficient than rotors on static structures. The design offered a significant decrease in electricity generating cost.

In year 2004, I presented the invention called the Enerkite (the former name of Deep Green) for Saab Ventures. During the following years, I supervised two students in their master thesis works on the Enerkite, which showed the potential of the invention theoretically and led to a proof of concept in sea tests. The thesis also led to the conclusion that the invention is highly suitable for low-velocity tidal and ocean stream."

Magnus Landberg 
Deep Green Inventor

[worzel1] 08/7/2019 17:34

Have you ever sought treatment for your mental health?

[serratia] 08/7/2019 17:17

Someone mentioned fishing a while back. There are savings to be made by trawlers - From memory 25% of the cost of deep sea fishing is the fuel used to tow the net. If the polymer in the net material could say double in strength they could use thinner filaments, reduce drag and save fuel.

[festario] 08/7/2019 17:12

Dean Haigh, don't you get it yet?You've wasted your time yet again, and LOTS of it as you freely admit.Your obsession with me is eating up YOUR life, not mine.Apologies for the interjection guys...