Versarien Share Discussion Threads

[mryl] 28/2/2019 20:50

We've heard it all already, please, please, I beg you, stop arguing about FGR and HAYD! There are more than enough posts on the matter already! aren't we not supposed to not engage with shorters and idiots?

[spid81] 28/2/2019 20:43

Superg1,

I don't know why you are threatened by FGR, there MC is only $33 mil Pounds

Versarien's MC is $118.16 Mil pounds after seeing a 50% fall over the last few months, Where are these sales that you have been claiming since September that are going to land in weeks?

Where is the NGA certification of the Versarien process ? as you said
"anyone could keep separating out 12 tonnes of the stuff to get 1 gram of few layer and submit that for testing."

FGR do have commercial sales for its MLG for approximately $250k per T, which is the same price that Fullerex have quoted for FLG,

They have REACH approval in Europe / UK, that all companies will need to secure prior to selling quantities over 1t. I have heard that VRS are required to join the REACH Graphene Consortium if they plan to sell above 1t of Graphene in Europe.

Anyway Superg1, I think you should get the topic back to VRS,

Can you tell me why none of these collaboration agreements have resulted into a significant sales agreement?

[superg1] 28/2/2019 20:38

BTW

Is there anyone on here on an FGR thread somewhere in the world. If not why does Spid park here.

Note Spid London told them to F off and the director set to bring them to the Aim left.

That parrot is dead, did you see the news.

I know, I know.

No no he's not dead, he's, he's restin'! Remarkable bird, the Norwegian Blue, idn'it, ay? Beautiful plumage!

[superg1] 28/2/2019 20:33

Still hear Spid albeit filtered

Another Timbo in the making, hey ho some never learn

Fig.1: Scanning Electron Microscopy, SEM image showing FGR Graphene Powder product with typical platelet sizes of 20 to 40 micron. A range of products with platelet (X-Y) size from 10 microns up to 60 microns are available. Atomic Force Microscopy, AFM confirms typical platelet thicknesses of 5-10nm.

5-10nm = 15-30 layers.

FGR have just started asking around for cash as of today suspension will come if they get to the funds they need, so watch for suspension. As ASX suspend for that it would become worrying if there was no sign of suspension for a month or two.

The talk is cash runs out as early as April.

[spid81] 28/2/2019 20:26

Good morning Superg1,

"Four-point probe measurement of a 25 μm film collected on membrane filter."

I hope you know this is a standard test to confirm the sheet resistance of graphene,

If you read the 2d tech graphene product information sheet, you will see they have completed this test for the conductive ink (not Nanene)

Sheet resistance @ thickness
Graph ink 1 =~4 kΩ/@80nm,
Graph ink 2 = 30 Ω/@2µm ~10 Ω/@25µm


Serratia - I am glad you have an open mind,

FGR have disclosed there graphene is MLG (sub 10 layer)

Fullerex state that MLG is : (MLG) which is 2-10 layers thick, few layer graphene (FLG) which is 2-5 layers.

Fulllerex's terminology for Graphene is different to the draft ISO standard that considers all graphene that is 1-10 layers as FLG.

[superg1] 28/2/2019 20:17

Serratia

It was in their first spec sheet listed as 5nm to 10nm EG 15-3O layers.

Even so anyone could keep separating out 12 tonnes of the stuff to get 1 gram of few layer and submit that for testing.

Warwick Grigor backed FGR rich tup until he realised what I had been saying was true. The vast majority is graphite.

So he hopped across to FGR who had the bestest fandabbytastic pure graphite in the world and therefore the bestest graphene. That was what Talga were claiming.

From a company claiming they would do 1000's of tonnes of that top graphite in the graphite hype days when in fact they managed 180 tonnes and let investors down badly.

No way could they do 1000's of tonnes it's in thin veins deep underground in mines troubled with flooding.

[jackjacklaserbeam] 28/2/2019 20:10

That's not nice calling me a moron and banning me on the other board superg just because I stated a simple fact: if nothing is delivered by year-end, no up and running China JV, no big order, then VRS is not worth more than 20p. I don't see how this deserves a ban..

On a side note, if you want a good reason to ban me, here it is: No wonder people on the IOF board were happy to see you leave. You should be ashamed of yourself for pumping stocks senseless, but why would you be, that's how you make your living isn't it? Buy low, pump hard, sell high, all the while pretending to be the good guy. Genius 👏🏻

[superg1] 28/2/2019 20:09

Ah Serratia

You would know.

I note for the latest FGR data sheet in the 'small print' it says

Four-point probe measurement of a 25 μm film collected on membrane filter.

So is that telling me they picked that data claim from a smudge left on the membrane filter rather than a representation of bulk produced graphene.

[500kv] 28/2/2019 20:08

The European Patent application EP2681155 and the WO(PCT) family patent have not been granted; only the US patent US9139439 has been granted.
I do not know why the EPO examiner has not granted the EP patent.
Perhaps someone does know?

[serratia] 28/2/2019 19:47

spid,

I take it you don't consider First Graphene sales agreement with the University of Manchester as confirmation that FGR manufacture sub 10 layer Graphene or that First Graphene are a Tier one Partner of GEIC as confirmation?

No, a Tier 1 partner doesn't need to produce sub-10 layer material, a partner doesn't even have to produce Graphene as Tunghsu have shown. FGR could be making multi layer and still join.

Yes I'm familiar with the VRS patent. I've written patents and the aim is to claim everything you can without giving away the optimum process -

"In all aspects, the process of the invention preferably produces graphene in yields of at least 10 wt%, preferably at least 15 wt% or at least 20 wt% relative to the weight of graphite starting material"

This reads as anything from 10% upwards preferably at least 20%, so it could be 80% but you wouldn't want competitors to know your yield, the patent covers all yields. It is most probably well above 20%.

Anyway yield isn't the issue being debated, it's layer number and so far no evidence that stands scrutiny has appeared showing FGR makes sub-10 layer material. If they could make sub-10 wouldn't you think it would be highlighted on their spec sheets?

I'm quite open for you or anyone else to show me evidence that they can produce FLG. I have an open mind but always focus on evidence.

[superg1] 28/2/2019 19:41

Thank goodness FGR don’t do food.

Allergy warning.

We are not telling you whether or not this item contains nuts, whether it is gluten free, or if it contains animal products for all you vegans out there.

However it is the best food in the world ever.

[superg1] 28/2/2019 19:37

So Spid

FGR announced having produced the most comprehnsive data sheet with the most important bit removed compared to the previous one.

New sheet I think says good aspect ratios whoch means width compared to thickness but they exclude the data which would show that.

I’d have to check re defect ratios but I think they called them good, BUT, once again they don’t say what they are.

As for layer level/thickness which is the main graphene qualifier. Nothing about that either.

Data sheets that do exist for graphene are all more comprehensive than FGR as they actually have numbered data on them.

[superg1] 28/2/2019 19:29

I’ll try to catch up on some ‘admin’ re the odd moron.

[superg1] 28/2/2019 18:58

I keep getting layer questions which is a point FGR don't seem to want to talk about. We all know under 10 layers bulk production is key for the full performance of graphene.

Those that don't get that best not invest in 'graphene'.

Anyway back to the point.

FGR graphene as far as I'm aware has a typical platelet thickness of 5-10nm.

Many companies used those measurements to confuse end users re under 10 layers.

We know that 5nm-10nm is 15 to 30 layers as each platelet is .34nm thick.

I hope that helps, I don't have much time on my hands recently as one or two VRS investors with me each day, know.

FGR chose to remove the thickness data in that 'comprehensive' product data sheet as in news.

Funny that.

[festario] 28/2/2019 18:23

This strange feeling of relief that I didn't get hammered and lose even more money today makes me wonder if this is what a battered wife feels like.I'm supposed to be grateful that, for once, I didn't get hurt.... maybe he's changed? Maybe everything will be fine from now on? Hmmmmm.

[ellissj] 28/2/2019 18:22

Superg, you mentioned a product on show at geic 'graphene enhanced silicon.' Are we talking a 'graphene enhanced rubber sheet'. In this case silicone ? I've seen a possible aerospace application, in effect a thermal heatsink for electric aircraft? I could post the description and link if so ? Atb ellis

[superg1] 28/2/2019 18:08

So Spid just for you, some Hayd guys knew better than to heed the warnings.

FGR are bleeding cash and will run out shortly if they don’t get backing, talk os as early as April. They have very little to show re revenue and a big salary bill.

Those that may back them will see near all the money goes on salaries and FGR now desperate and failed to get backing from the UK will most likely get hammered on the share price for a discount, IF they get backers.

Good luck spid you have been warned.

[ridicule] 28/2/2019 17:59

ellissj Well done for producing that very comprehensive list. It puts it all into perspective.

[ellissj] 28/2/2019 17:54

Another little snippet from neill and his background. Great free research the web ! Bravo neill, someone spotted your potential back then, as do 1000's of shareholders now. Backing vrs to succeed here ! Aimo best ellis

Neill Ricketts @neillricketts

"...I have been introducing new technology and processes for over 30 years since I was singled out to make prototype camshafts for Mclaren's engine producer."

3:22 pm · 28 Feb 2019

[lovat scout] 28/2/2019 17:46

Ridicule - well put but it’s impossible for the fast (long and short) money not to be trading this kind of company. Nearly all the valuation opinions are subjective and difficult to prove/disprove, which results in the shouting and repetition to try and influence the price. In the meantime we all have to live with the volatility en route to the 4th industrial revolution!

[forestfred] 28/2/2019 17:42

Ellissj
Sometimes you can simply forget some of the potential applications and sectors this can disrupt , and that’s why there’s global interest and government interest I suspect
Ff