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[luckyorange] 13/11/2018 23:19

Twitter busy,humorous and very relaxed, nice to see.🌞

[spid81] 13/11/2018 22:54

Good Morning / Evening Log,

I suspect this is due to management working and not spending all day on Twitter or reading the ADVFN thread,

Impressive results of between 100-500% increase in the abrasive resistance by using less than 1% graphene, the additional cost of graphene will easily be offset by the savings in labour, maintenance, increased production, ect.

IMO it will be quickly adopted by the mining industry,

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@spid how can FGR do all this in 4 months while VRS takes years and not a sniff if an update?

[serratia] 13/11/2018 22:18

Fireball,

Tetra Pak consists of a paperboard layer for strength and stability, an aluminium layer to act as a barrier against light and oxygen. Polyethylene layers on the inside and outside. The PE layer is a moisture barrier to prevent the paperboard from softening.
I guess a graphene/PE film would improve the gas/moisture barrier so they could use less material. Maybe they could substitute the aluminium foil if they could make the PE into a light barrier.
I haven't found anything to date about adding strength to paperboard.

[loglorry1] 13/11/2018 22:17

@spid how can FGR do all this in 4 months while VRS takes years and not a sniff if an update?

[a_game] 13/11/2018 22:11

pshevlin - yet many millions travel to the rest of the world every year including our greatest partner, the US. Panic not :)

[a_game] 13/11/2018 22:05

anyone want to join me in betting news 7am tomorrow? ;)

hopefully no one has been silly to sell down these levels..

[luckyorange] 13/11/2018 22:01

I think you need to read the last RNS again Philb, apart from the obvious you also need the technical know how to use it as an additive in various products, it is all a very complex process.

[spid81] 13/11/2018 21:54

Hi @superg1, As promised FGR provided another update on its graphene/polyurathane composite,

 PureGRAPH™ graphene provides up to 37% improved tensile strength in high performance polyurethane systems.

 PureGRAPH™ graphene improves abrasion resistance by 100% to 500% in high performance polyurethanes.

 PureGRAPH™ enhanced polyurethane systems to be field trialled at a large iron ore producer with collaboration partner newGen.

Impressive improvements in tensile strength of 37% and abrasion resistance in the range of 100 to 500% have been measured. These will provide the mining industry with enhanced, longer life, wear-resistant materials providing significant savings to operators through reduced downtime, safety and environmental gains and reduced product consumption.

First Graphene and newGen have successfully introduced the PureGRAPH™ range to reclaimer bucket liners, and now also pipe spooling. newGen intend to introduce the PureGRAPH™ range of products progressively to all wear-related products. This fits well with First Graphene’s stated objective to introduce the PureGRAPH™ product range into bulk use applications, opening up a new product vertical in the mining sector.

Technical note:
All test measurements were carried by an independent ISO17025 registered laboratory

Source :

[mcfly79] 13/11/2018 21:50

Good point Serratia,As you say difficult to work out the value chain unless you're close to the detail.

[philbstar] 13/11/2018 21:29

Just wondering if the markets rather lack lustre reaction to the very positive recent news is related to the realisation that the VRS IP is going to be very difficult to protect with any collaborations in China. NR even went so far as saying that it would protect the IO where possible. From my experience the path of large Chinese company aligning with small smart Company whose USP is their IP is an all too familiar tale with very predictable results.

[luckyorange] 13/11/2018 21:22

Can't be bothered to look for the evidence but back to the machinery and how are VRS going to keep up with demand.

NR was talking about a collaboration with the machinery maker to tie up the production line for two years.

You don't do that on a whim, the manufacturer will want assurances, I have suddenly clicked on that one.

[fireball xl5] 13/11/2018 21:02

Serratia, this can be duplicated across industries using plastic injection moulding. Tooling May even be enhanced. Tetra pack, any benefits there?

[luckyorange] 13/11/2018 20:33

Plenty of 3D printing for construction in the US , ICON have produced a 'home' within 24 hours and there will be similar worldwide.

It is fairly straightforward to understand how graphene could enhance in this particular application

[serratia] 13/11/2018 20:14

Hi McFly,

The multiple properties of Graphene give added benefits which can be taken into account in the pricing models.
Another example - Let's say you're blow moulding plastic bottles. The polymer is heated in a mould and gas blown in to form the shape. The mould cools and the bottle removed. What if the heat conductance of a Graphene polymer allowed the mould to cool 30% faster? You've increased capacity by 30%. Variable costs/unit will fall as you keep the strength/halve the polymer used/less electricity to heat the mould etc. Fixed costs should also fall/unit.
Also if you've got a growing market how much capital is saved by not needing to add another bottling plant ?
What if the same works for moulding tyres and there are more potential extra benefits with tyres than faster moulding and strength?
Quite a challenge to work out the value chains.

[squire007] 13/11/2018 19:57

Get me into next week ;-) .... whooo whoooo .

[ellissj] 13/11/2018 19:40

Our man speaking thursday at 11am idtech graphene conference. I see construction and smart home integration mentioned ! Good luck stephen. Best ellis.

Versarien Plc UNITED KINGDOM
Dr Stephen Hodge HEAD OF RESEARCH

PRESENTATION TITLE

Graphene Enhanced Products Santa Clara Convention Center, CA, USA Exhibition Theater Presentations: Day 2 15 November 2018 11:10 - 11:30   Presentation Summary;

This talk will highlight some of our recent advancements in graphene-based product developments in areas including functional composites and coatings for aerospace, automotive and construction industries, wearable sensors, smart textiles and smart home integration. We will explore some of the key graphene markets and roadmaps to commercialisation.

Speaker Biography (Stephen Hodge) Dr Stephen Hodge is Versarien's Head of Research, primarily responsible for overseeing all the company's graphene and other 2d materials research and development activities, including the company's participation in the recently announced Graphene Engineering Innovation Centre at the University of Manchester. He is based at the Cambridge Graphene Centre as an industrial visitor, helping foster the training of students in Graphene Technology and develop joint projects. Dr Hodge was a Postdoctoral Research Associate in the Cambridge Graphene Centre at the University of Cambridge, Teaching Fellow in the EPSRC Centre for Doctoral Training in Graphene Technology and bye-fellow at Murray Edwards College, Cambridge. He graduated from the University of Bath with a MChem in Chemistry and then obtained his PhD in Nanomaterials Chemistry at Imperial College London, before joining the Cambridge Graphene Centre in 2014. His research interests cover the large-scale development of nanomaterial-based dispersions, inks, coatings and functional 2d and 3d architectures for their incorporation into flexible electronics, sensor applications and energy storage/generation devices. Company Profile (Versarien) Versarien plc is an advanced engineering materials group. Leveraging proprietary technology, the Group creates innovative engineering solutions for its clients in a diverse range of industries. Versarien's graphene subsidiaries include 2 dTech Ltd., which specialises in the supply, characterisation and early stage development of graphene products, Cambridge Graphene Ltd. which supplies novel inks based on graphene and related materials and ACC Cyroma Ltd, which specialises in the supply of vacuum-formed and injection-moulded products to the automotive, construction, utilities and retail industry sectors."
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[mcfly79] 13/11/2018 19:15

Agreed - massive potential in smart buildings, especially if VRS can collaborate on the development as well as being the graphene supplier.But in terms of pure graphene usage the really large quantities will be in the construction materials and I'm starting to think that the economics could be better than I'd realised.

[squire007] 13/11/2018 19:07

Could make a fortune selling these Japanese toilets !!!! Lol :-)

[wuzy] 13/11/2018 19:06

Ps, forgot two mention orange, some great research.

[wuzy] 13/11/2018 19:01

Just come in and caught up on posts, some great posts from the usual crowd (even club makes me smile, no patience) some great research, l don't know how you all do it but it's what keeps me focused, did read earlier on I phone, someone mentioned in trims, for the 10th time they were posted on 29 th of November for last two years ,prior to that it was from their w/ site 3rd Dec so it's going to be at end of month or first couple of days into Dec, going to be interesting, thanks ,usual crew super,Elliss etc .etc. Kind regards to all holders

[meganxmas] 13/11/2018 18:58

What about graphinks for smart buildings ie build into cladding to measure shrinkage, movement, dampness, heat, oxygen levels, etc, etc ... massive potential.

[mcfly79] 13/11/2018 18:52

Thinking some more about Aecom.

Naively I hadn’t previously fully considered the associated cost savings from using graphene in construction projects. Because of this I'd imagined that Nanene sales for construction projects were some way off (once economies of scale on production had brought the price of Nanene down to a point where it might be viable for construction projects).

Where graphene is being used primarily for strength enhancements I'd previously thought of the value of graphene in terms of the value of the material saved (e.g. if 30% less of the construction material can be used for the same project due to graphene strength enhancements then the most a company would pay for the graphene would be the cost saving in using less of the construction material).

However the associated cost savings (transportation, manpower, equipment etc) could be substantial and all need to be considered. In many cases there could be large step changes in cost savings due to new ways of approaching the projects (take the manpower savings for the railway arches or other projects where using graphene may make the difference between having to close the railway line or not).

In other cases construction may be possible where it was not previously.

It all makes it difficult to tell what an Aecom order might look like, in terms of volume and price (and ongoing technical support). Interesting times.