Versarien Share Discussion Threads

[ellissj] 14/11/2018 19:40

Excellent baz, hope they are a talking point ! Best ellis

[loglorry1] 14/11/2018 19:35

@serratia I'd agree that FGR directors are over paid. Some is in shares.

Neill has £28m in shares and options from his original £4000 investment. He's doing a lot better out of Versarien than they are doing out if FGR.

[baz99] 14/11/2018 19:33

Ellis, the printed circuits laying on the white paper look as if they could be a type of strain gauge perhaps similar to those used in the bandages, and when flexed change their resistance in proportion to the amount of flexing, imo

[serratia] 14/11/2018 19:31

First Graphene was mentioned somewhere on here so worth looking at the directors salaries.
They had essentially no sales in their last annual accounts so what are their salaries related to when VRS started on Graphene?

Chairman - FGL £129K, VRS £32k.
CEO - FGL £500k, VRS £121k
FD - FGL £465k, VRS £133k

You can see where this one's going ! £1095k salaries no sales. If I was a shareholder I wouldn't be happy. The VRS board in total earned around half the FGL's CEO's salary. A quick look at their AGM vote - 42.47% voted against their salary package. Not surprised they seem to be more careful re their own interests than those of the shareholders looking at those salaries.
Not one I'd go for.

[ellissj] 14/11/2018 19:28

Thx roger, and for the info on the 3D printing reel, that makes sense. Good luck. Best ellis.

[baz99] 14/11/2018 19:24

Yep club, as you point out we are all dead in the end, I think it's how you live your life and what you make of it in the meantime that actually counts

[night terrors] 14/11/2018 19:23

luckyorange,

"I hope you got your buy night terrors, you know what happens next 🌞👀"

Just catching up on posts! So glad I'm at work during the day and don't get the chance to follow the board - it could drive one la la....!

Yep - got my final top up! Had a quick look at the chart and fully expect this to be the bottom... would be surprised to see it fall lower. Looking forward to the coming weeks I think - though will be too busy to follow performance during the day.

Hope you are well!
NT

[rogerbridge] 14/11/2018 19:17

Elliss,I think you are correct and it looks like the Nanene ABS product on a reel for 3D printing? Also something that looks like seat belt fastners, but I don’t think they are.

[jointer13] 14/11/2018 19:11

meaning.

changing frequently, especially as regards one's loyalties or affections.

[festario] 14/11/2018 19:04

Both Clubbie and SuperG know where I live, and they are welcome to come round for a cup of chamomile tea any time they like. But only if they leave hammers and other tools at home, I have an aversion to DIY.

[forestfred] 14/11/2018 18:29

Thanks Campbed
Ff

[campbed] 14/11/2018 18:24

superg1 #47959


Hi

Yes, thanks, I appreciate of course that Aecom and Axia, together with all the other collaborators of VRS, will be doing important R&D on the commercialisation of graphene. But their work is invariably commercially confidential and so lacks visibility to private investors in shares looking for information on which to base decision making (PIDM). On the other hand, the work in universities has more visibility to PIDMs and it is from the sheer volume of that work that there will be financial gains to be made from graphene and other 2D materials.

To get a flavour of that work last month I spent a little of my (unrealised) profits on VRS to attend a 2 day conference at NPL Teddington about “Research to Applications” in Graphene and 2D materials

hxxp://www.npl.co.uk/upload/pdf/20181009-10_graphene_2d_materials_agenda.pdf

Most of the speakers were from universities who described their research, mostly in electronic applications rather than in compounds. I think I was the only person there with a PIDM perspective.

Andrew Parsons of NPL spoke of the (slow) progress on International Standardisation of Graphene and its QC.

I don’t think anyone from VRS attended but there were representatives from Haydale (AIM:HAYD), Applied Graphene (AIM:AGM), William Blythe (UK private), Graphenea (a Spanish company producing graphene by CVD for electronics applications) as well from Oxford Instruments and Renishaw though for those two listed companies the 2D materials area is not yet a significant part of their focus. I see no reason from my PIDM perspective why I should not continue to hold VRS shares but not the others for whom graphene is their main focus.

Much of that university research is assisted by the Graphene Flagship project, a €1 billion EU fund hxxps://graphene-flagship.eu/

Prof Ferrari of Cambridge Univ spoke about using graphene in layered materials to produce photons to revolutionise tele/datacomms. A recent paper is



He also mentioned that a third €1 billion EU fund (the Graphene Flagship was the second) called the Quantum Fund to develop these 2D layered materials has just been launched

hxxp://qt.eu/news/flagship-kickoff-in-vienna/

So, in summary, lots of good stuff going on in graphene and 2D materials.
BTW, looking at some of the posts on this BB today I suggest some posters (but not serratia) should try to get a (more balanced) life away from the screen.

[graphite bot] 14/11/2018 18:14

Another day closer and all is well. We have money in the bank . We are walking with Giants. question how many of those Giants what the best Graphene? Answer all of them. How many will place orders ?answer enough of them. The maths is not difficult we will more than be ok. Simple.

[forestfred] 14/11/2018 17:58

Family Versarien .

Anyone else looking forward to Christmas .
Hopefully Santa will be kind to us this year.

Ff

[serratia] 14/11/2018 17:56

Following on I thought I'd look at companies that are either new or were on other exchanges when I originally looked. If anything interesting comes up I'll post it. My first intention is to look at the CEO's salary as that gives clues to the type of company I'm dealing with.
A simple trawl is to plug a company into Yahoo finance and they list other similar companies.
First up was a company called Elcora Advanced Materials but I couldn't see the CEO's salary in their accounts then this popped out on Bloomberg -



Elcora Advanced Materials Corp. Auditor Raises 'Going Concern' Doubt

Jul 24 18

Elcora Advanced Materials Corp. filed its Annual on Jul 24, 2018 for the period ending Mar 31, 2018. In this report its auditor, Dale Matheson Carr-Hilton, gave an unqualified opinion expressing doubt that the company can continue as a going concern.

Nothing in that one then no point in looking deeper. Off to look for some others.

[ellissj] 14/11/2018 17:55

Nice spot chimp. Btw, re this picture tweeted by david kerr from the idtech expo today, what's on the 'cambridge graphene white box?' Looks likes graphinks printed circuits ? Any expert care to comment? Aimo. Ellis

[adejuk] 14/11/2018 17:33

i mostly talk to myself on here :-)

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[club sandwich] 14/11/2018 17:31

I know where Manduca lives, and I know where you live. But neither of you are worth doing time for.Remind us all again which piece of 'research' it was which persuaded you that PRG was worth buying into?

[adejuk] 14/11/2018 17:29

losses, even on paper, are hard to cope with. rage is a defensive response when the loss is too painful. cs is stuck in it. the problem is who to attack when the loss is a result of one's own decisions? stay there long enough and depression is inevitable.

[vrs1] 14/11/2018 17:28

Hewlett Packard are of course based in Palo Alto. Not a coincidence. VRS have their finger on the pulse.

[charo] 14/11/2018 17:26

I understand only too well and wish all well except those who manipulate and mislead investors caveat emptor.

[chimpandy1] 14/11/2018 17:22

After seeing Neill's tweet about HP I did a bit of research and found this from 2014. https://www.printedelectronicsnow.com/contents/view_online-exclusives/2014-09-24/hp-develops-new-materials-for-flexible-printe/46390 Seems that HP have been looking into flexible inks for some time. "Hewlett-Packard (HP) is one of the most innovative companies in the world, developing state-of-the-art printers, laptops and much more. Its ink formulation labs are extensive (the company does not manufacture its inks, but develops them). It should not come as a surprise that HP is actively working in the printed electronics space." Could make a very nice customer!

[luckyorange] 14/11/2018 17:15

I hope you got your buy night terrors, you know what happens next 🌞👀

[vrs1] 14/11/2018 17:10

Good piece of research sandbag. The foundations are being laid for a great British company. The collaborations are part of the deal making process of this new technology. Nanene is going to play a massive role in all of this. Three far East recognise this and so do Versarien. All of what I have read to date from the likes of smog lorry and dottycarbery is taken out of context, grossly exaggerated or simply untrue. They are not even share holders and so one wonders if they are paid assassin's. Why are they here if not to drive down the VRS share price. I imagine that when the first order comes, it will be rapidly proceeded by many more and then the collaborations will be seen to be amazing deals. Roll on collaborations - we can't have orders without them. This is a new technology. I don't need to keep reading the same insane tripe from the same morons. Your not shareholders so go away. Your not welcome. Your wealth assassin's. The collaborations are all on track. They will pay off. I'll make millions from this.