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[wuzy] 24/10/2018 06:43

Morning superg and anyone else also awake,super do you have a science background or is it just plain hard research, thanks it reinforces my belief to stay long and strong.cheers

[aintree77] 24/10/2018 06:40

Thank you Superg for your time and hard work in explaining the basics, I feel very confident in my holding here.

[superg1] 24/10/2018 06:40

So back to layer level.

It's the fraud in the market by graphene producers that has the NGI and NPL as a driving force to try to out an end to the cons out that.

Geim and Nosvoselov didn't waste all that time trying to separate graphite for nothing. It was because they knew it had strength.

They didn't win the Nobel prize for science for identifying and producing multi-layer graphene aka graphite.


The NGI want it sorted as multi-layer which they say is over 10 layers WILL NOT perform in the way that single and few layer will when added to things for strength.

That's what VRS stand out and why they have so much interest, they have cracked the few layer production method retaining lateral sizes that hit the spec need with few defect ratios.

[superg1] 24/10/2018 06:33

VRS1

Re "Spook" as fraud by false representation which is a criminal offence.

Back to the layer level point.

[superg1] 24/10/2018 06:31

So cvd graphene like the used in composites is not viable. It's also useless in that form as the laterals are far to big, thousands of times too big.

The breakthrough for mass use of graphene is graphene nano platelets but that is where the 100's of producers have conned the market. They used the nano qualifier to call graphite graphene.

Any graphite under 300 layers thick can be called a nano material but it won't impart the full properties of graphene into other materials until it gets down to few layer. As stated that is because the bonds between layers are weak as explained and you need to exhaust this weakness as much as you can or that weakness will transfer into what you use the graphite it.

Graphite has been used for decades for thermal and electrical gains in certain sectors, that is not news. There is 40 times more graphite than Lithium in a typical lithium battery.

It doesn't end with layers, defect ratios and laterals sizes are key too. Too big or too small on laterals is a problem in many uses.


In the synthetic sector of GNPs (bottom up process) there seems to be a real issue with meaningful lateral sizes. They rarely seem to be above 500nm. At the other end too big and the platelets fold and crumple creating issues in many cases.

[chumbo1] 24/10/2018 06:31

Good to see the Insomnia Society in full session this morning. A pretty awful few days, hopefully we can soon get back to normal. Sometimes I think I've got lost and drifted onto the other thread.

[vrs1] 24/10/2018 06:27

Superg1 - there is some very strange activity on this BB. A few posters are managing to successfully spook genuine shareholders into selling, pushing down the share price. I wonder what they are doing here if it's not to solely drive down the share price. Some shareholders will have lost huge amounts. NR says he is not worried - he owns 10 million shares. He often says that he is aligned with share holders given her is the biggest shareholder. At some point this will rocket and the doomsters will disappear. Hopefully, this will be today. I have researched VRS compared to other graphene producers and none has the quality of collaborations. We should hear the outcome of these very soon. Testing doesn't go on forever. The ones with faith will be hugely rewarded. It seems only time will tell and the lies of the shorters will be exposed.

[superg1] 24/10/2018 06:08

Time to go back to basics on what works and doesn't work re graphene, Anyone that says many layer and multi layer is graphene is intentionally out there to deceive.

Just for the record for newbies. I and two others (both experts in their sector) looked at various science papers to understand why under 10 layer was key for all the aspects of graphene gains. It's actually quite simple.

One of those guys now works for VRS Dr Andrew Deakin. It was he that found the key papers re why under 10 works. It's not just a useful round number it's just that when GNPs go over that spec the performance gains for strength fall off a cliff.

There are various papers out there listing XG sciences grade M and H graphene doing exactly that. They are multi-layer and examples show that it can cause the strength of the original material to drop significantly.

Why is that?

Well the key is the strength comes from single graphene layers and those layers sit together under weak bonds.

95% of graphene producers out there have multi-layer graphite. It won't work because the weak bonds between layers have not been exhausted and you end up with billions of weak points in composites as a result.

I have posted various examples and will do it gain.

That's why there is so much interest in VRS. some have been there done that with multi-layer and were told by the suppliers that it's graphene. Having tried it they then though graphene was hype.

VRS proved theirs work significantly as in the Carbon Fibre and PEEK data and since that time they have been overrun with interest.

China its said has over 100 graphene producers BUT China are all over VRS trying to get on board with them. That speaks volumes.

So investors should put some effort in to properly understand that and make investment decisions based on that research.

[temmujin] 24/10/2018 05:47

hope rocket fuel sold

[temmujin] 24/10/2018 05:46

this is heading back to 50p...trust me...over hyped

[superg1] 24/10/2018 05:36

And I thought I was up early.

I hope all is going well Rid.

You can tell your daughter that going forward considerable effort will be made to bring the crooks to justice. After all they will have a fear of losing everything and that is the best way. Rather than rant and rave just do something about it, the right way and with significant detail.

Long and strong my end and picked some up myself recently. Funnily enough I believe what I post and I stick to my view re timing on China and other news, because I do more research that dozens put together here. Years of it logged as will be demonstrated shortly re layer level and other companies.

But the key factor is simply VRS news and comments. If you know the staff and the character of them then you know it's not BS. It's been quite clearly stated and I fully understand why so many are wary. The AIM is a den of deceit, from companies to nomads hence I go into overdrive to try and make my way through the fog to get to the truth.

[superg1] 24/10/2018 05:26

VRS1

You raise some good points re manipulation and that;s definitely what is in play, some of it is criminal as already pointed out and in the fullness of time options re that will be reviewed and acted upon if deemed appropriate.

It's explained all under the law fraud by false representation.

Meanwhile let's get back to basics, but just to comment I have spoil said filtered. I'm not sure if he made the short comment as you have said it.

The suggestion is absurd.

EG I knew AGM were lying and. that in the end the share price would be collapse, I never shorted them, never shorted Haydale either.

I did two shorts years ago and made about £200 total, I wanted to see how it worked, I've never done it since. One of those was Marks and Spencers because the city said sales would be poor, they were and it did drop, I can't remember the name of the other.

I don't recall going onto the M and S thread either saying hey Fk wits sales are going to be poor.


Anyway time to move on.

[ridicule] 24/10/2018 05:04

Tmoon thank you very much for your good wishes. Had a great night with our daughter last night who drove down to Somerset from Surrey to see me. I know that personal information is OT, but she has shares in VRS, as many of our family members do, she was clearly very worried. When I explained the antics of our shorting friends, she just could not get her head around how someone, in theory, could borrow her shares and then use them against her without her knowing. Why is that not illegal she challenged? Sadly, I could not give her an answer. By the way, she is not selling her shares, but she could easily have done so.

[chimpandy1] 24/10/2018 04:45

After the DOW bounce the SSE index has had a good morning so far. Fingers crossed for the same.

[haz101] 24/10/2018 00:55

Still here and still keeping the faith no matter what the market/shorters throw at us tomorrow, remember folks NOTHING HAS CHANGED, do not let those with an agenda brainwash you or condition, filter filter filter

[tini5] 24/10/2018 00:30

No problem sandbag. Maybe it’s Dyson ;-)

[sandbag] 24/10/2018 00:14

"I use it to research stocks and get the occasional tip."

For that reason I was interested in tini5's post 41647. He stated that he had asked, under the FOI act, how many people the DIT had seconded to private companies, and was told, three. Two are with VRS so tonight I contacted HMG and asked who the third was and to which company he/she had been seconded. It could possibly lead to another company worth researching. Thanks tini5!

[tini5] 23/10/2018 23:24

Isn’t “neutrally biased” an oxymoron?

[zagrosfold] 23/10/2018 23:19

bdog - dream on. ADVFN BB's are for traders. I use it to research stocks and get the occasional tip. 99% of the stuff posted is garbage. To hope for a neutrally biased board on ADVFN is like believing in God. Everyone has an agenda. Trust in facts only.

[shavian] 23/10/2018 23:15

Kandaljohn, what would Apple know? Most of those insti holdings are platforms such as HL and AJ bell, almost entirely composed of PIs personal holdings.

[vrs1] 23/10/2018 22:42

bdog51 - I agree that this is a VRS board and only VRS ought to be discussed here. However, it would seem that a few people on this BB had a different agenda linked to other stocks. Like I said, genuine shareholders have been manipulated and have lost a great deal of money. The share price will rise once again with this realisation.

[bdog51] 23/10/2018 22:29

Can we talk about VRS on the VRS board please. Other shares e.g. FGR can be discussed on other boards set up exactly for that purpose. Thank you.

[vrs1] 23/10/2018 22:13

Spid - please explain - are you negative towards VRS because you feel that certain people on this forum are shorting FGR?