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[melf] 16/8/2018 11:55

I think there's a big hint from NR on Twitter re sales.

"Be careful what you wish for".

[shammytime] 16/8/2018 11:53

My latest conspiracy theorySuperg1 is NRHow cool would that be?

[superg1] 16/8/2018 11:52

Thanks for that, no pressure then. Perhaps it's due to some info I sent VRS recently.

Been tempted but NR does fine, his stalkers do lie a lot, I take the general view of starving them of oxygen.

Liars just pile lies on top of lies hence my like of that post on another thread recently.

If you kick such folks right in the gnads they laugh and say.

"Ha ha missed both my legs"

That's after they have stopped being sick and can walk again.

[alchemy] 16/8/2018 11:46

Here we go again my my .Mama Mia.

[ashehzi] 16/8/2018 11:46

Voting going on...

@neillricketts
I think we need sugerg on twitter to post facts ?
11:41 AM - 16 Aug 2018

[belo horizonte] 16/8/2018 11:45

Looks like NR's "friend" - which means he reads Musk's tweets- may be heading for the pokey. Forgot what a CEO is supposed to do and that tweets that influence the market, without an official simultaneous market announcement, is a felony. Assuming they are even true in the first place. NR should take note since he is walking on thin ice. Just because he has little experience as an executive of a public company is no excuse for hints, winks and innuendo.
Nice to see that he has recruited another young man to help prop up his failing China effort. No mention if he was offered by the DIT or NR requested help. Also good that he speaks some mandarin, along with a billion others. It would be useful if he had some notable negotiating skills. Probably a good lad but he will likely be shocked on his first visit to the graphene "factory".

[superg1] 16/8/2018 11:43

OT

As expected and mentioned earlier Bluejay crashed again today. That's the trouble with junior miners on a high M/C. Funds in any sign of market weakness quickly dump junior miners and oil stocks.

[superg1] 16/8/2018 11:41

Hmm just thought.

With a small company like Zap and go who wouldn't want to be linked up with VRS in their shoes as it then links you into the UOM, NGI, US, CPI, and government.

The same goes for big companies which is what NR alludes to in interviews, they like the depth of knowledge and access to partners and expertise that VRS have.

[superg1] 16/8/2018 11:40

Squire

I mentioned Zap way back, I havven't looked recently.

As I recall one product they had in mind back then was a power pack for phone recharges.

EG you plug the power pack in which fully charged in something like 2 minutes, then just carry it with you to charge your phone.

A big issue I see with phones and the power pack craze was the same old problem of taking hours to charge and remembering to charge them.

With a zap power pack it doesn't matter, 2 mins and you have the power you need.

I imagine demand for such a product would be huge. Graphene it seems can improve those types of product.

[club sandwich] 16/8/2018 11:17

The latest copy of Wired is interesting. 3 articles of interest to VRS s'holders: one about lithium-ion batteries, one about F1, one about Musk and Tesla. No mention of VRS or graphene in any of them that I can see on first reading.

When will the herd arrive? When magazines like Wired and the daily newspapers wise up. They're still publishing articles about how great lithium-ion is. How quaint...

[richie32] 16/8/2018 11:16

Perhaps news sinking in the China is now coming together

[ashehzi] 16/8/2018 11:15

Finally some healthy buys coming.

[squire007] 16/8/2018 11:10

Now paying 123p ...:-)

[andymoore07] 16/8/2018 11:09

I don't think it's a zap and go scooter, I think they're just saying that that will be the first product released with a zap and go battery in it

[squire007] 16/8/2018 11:08

Why are Zap&Go releasing this super fast recharge by 'product' and not just a battery that does everything fast ........ what am I missing .. tia
The ability is in the battery not the product ????

[jointer13] 16/8/2018 11:06

I reckon people will be kicking themselves further down the line.

saying why didn't I see the info at the time...well this is the time.

there is loads of info out there re vrs...and made very clear thanks to neill in his efforts to protect the co. from the shorters.

I imagine if it was'nt for the shorters we wouldn't have been aware of some of the info.

looking forward

[andymoore07] 16/8/2018 10:59

Just in time for the Christmas markets An electric scooter that charges SAFELY in 5 minutes using Zap&Go Carbon-Ion technology will be one of the first product to be commercialised this year ??#ElectricScooter #FastCharging #Evs #ElectricVehicles #EnergyStorage #Innovation

[superg1] 16/8/2018 10:56

Fest

21k there again on the bid at 118p


In the days following the appointment of Matt Walker the share price started to take off. That appeared to be the new funds. I take it they see such appointments as reassuring and act etc.

[festario] 16/8/2018 10:50

Yep, limits are good, I can sell up to 85k shares at 118.4pVery robust.

[superg1] 16/8/2018 10:48

Pc

If I was to bet then I'd put Shenzhen as the 'better offer' in the current circs. Its quite clear from the visit of the Shenzhen delegation this summer and VRS present that Shenzhen feature.

Then there is the suspicion about Silk ventures (Shenzhen origin) involved.

Just guessing on the various bits of info that have popped up in recent months.

[club sandwich] 16/8/2018 10:43

pcjoe - well bullish as I am, let's not get carried away. There may be 24 parties involved, but that doesn't necessarily mean 24 production sites/facilities - those parties could be funders or others. Personally I'd be happy with getting one facility up and running short-term: plenty of others will want what that first party has when they see it...

Of course, more than one would be wonderful too ;-)

[pcjoe] 16/8/2018 10:38

All eyes on China - what is the deal they are working on? - Shandong likely the first & that may possibly be the basic model for the the next score and more (with tweaks to suit different kinds of clients)


What we do know is that the new Hong Kong subsidiary is likely going to be fronting this - likely start as a private co but may float? - who knows - if there was an entertainment award for best reality Aim show then VRS/this Forum thread would likely win hands down - more twists than Breaking Bad! hopefully we do as well as Walter did - just have to get out a bit sharper if necessary...

[curtain twitcher] 16/8/2018 10:31

Thursday 16 August 2018

A graphene breakthrough hints at the future of battery power

From laptops that charge in 15 minutes to electric scooters, the first round of graphene-based products could finally deliver on the promise of the much-hyped wonder material

Catch the 1E bus from central Belgrade, Serbia, and you’ll be riding the future.

The five Chariot e-buses that operate on this route are some of the first in the world to run solely on supercapacitors, a fast-charging alternative to batteries that could revolutionise how we store energy.


Instead of holding electricity as chemical potential, like a battery, supercapacitors (also known as ultracapacitors) store it in an electrical field, like static collecting on a balloon. Because there’s no chemical reaction going on, they don’t degrade like lithium-ion batteries, which rely on rare-earth metals and can end up in landfill after two years. This means that you can charge them much more quickly – a five minute charge for one of Belgrade’s buses can carry it up to 18 kilometres.

There are two reasons supercapacitors haven’t yet replaced batteries in our electric cars and electronics: they hold less energy in the same amount of space, and they can’t hold it for as long. A fully charged supercapacitor can leak down to empty in hours, rather than days.

That’s fine for a bus that can be charged at every stop, but less useful for a car that needs to run all day. But now, a host of researchers and start-ups are trying to make supercapacitors better. To do it, they’ve turned to one of the most hyped materials in history: graphene.

Discovered at the University of Manchester in 2004, graphene - which consists of thin flakes of carbon atoms arranged in a hexagonal structure - was quickly hailed as a wonder material. It is strong and light, with a high surface area, and it’s an excellent conductor of both heat and electricity. But, the promised graphene revolution is yet to materialise. “It is still in its teenage years,” says James Baker, the CEO of Graphene@Manchester.

Belgrade’s buses use supercapacitors made from layers of activated carbon, which is coated onto conductive plates immersed in an electrolyte solution. Graphene is also a form of carbon, but because of its huge surface area (which determines the performance of a supercapacitor) it has the potential to radically improve the performance of supercapacitors to a level where they become practical for electric cars and consumer devices. It could create smartphones that charge in seconds, and cars that can refuel while they’re stopped at a set of traffic lights.

The market for graphene batteries is predicted to reach $115 million by 2022, but it has huge potential beyond that as the technology improves, and a number of companies have attracted significant interest in their work.

These include Chinese company Dongxu Optoelectronics, which announced a graphene supercapacitor with the capacity of a typical laptop battery that could charge up in 15 minutes, instead of a few hours. Barcelona-based startup Earthdas has used graphene to create supercapacitors for electric bicycles and motorcycles, which can be charged 12 times faster than lithium-ion batteries. It plans to start selling them later this year.

Many of this new breed of supercapacitors aren’t strictly graphene, a term which technically refers only to the two dimensional sheets of carbon. Although it already has a huge surface area, efforts are ongoing to increase that by adapting graphene in different ways – poking tiny holes and channels into it, or texturing it at the nanoscale level.

Estonian company SkeletonTech offer a range of products that incorporate curved graphene, while Oxfordshire-based ZapGo use a mixture of graphene and carbon nanotubes that resembles peaks and valleys rather than just flat layers. Their first products – an electric scooter, and jump-starting kit for cars – will hit the market later this year.

There’s still work to do before graphene supercapacitors can hold their charge for long enough to be a practical alternative to lithium-ion for most applications, however. Some have suggested hybrid systems – supercapacitors for fast-charging, with traditional batteries for long-term storage.

Another potential problem could be scaling up production – because of the hype, the graphene industry has become a minefield of broken promises and shoddy quality control. Last month, the UK’s National Physical Laboratory launched an initiative to help companies verify whether they’re actually getting what they pay for when they buy graphene.

Although it is much more environmentally friendly than lithium-ion overall, and can be much more easily recycled, the most common production processes for graphene still involve harsh chemicals, which may not be sustainable if it’s going to supply an electric car pool that could reach 125 million vehicles by 2030. But, if researchers can crack these problems – and they’re working on it – then graphene could fundamentally change the way our world is constructed.

“The exciting thing for me is when you start looking at the whole system and doing that in a different way,” says Baker. “Could I actually make my structure into an energy storage device? Then you start getting the benefits of light-weighting, together with increased storage, maybe add flexibility into that and suddenly you can get some quite novel types of solutions.”


In the south of France, Ulrich Grape and Pascal Boulanger of NAWAShell have plans to build carbon-based supercapacitors into the structure of electronics, vehicles and even footwear. Their technology uses carbon nano-rods - billions of them per square centimetre - which can be incorporated into or coated onto other materials such as flexible polymers, for foldable phones and wearables, or strong and light carbon fibre.

It could be used to make laptops with batteries built into the case, or electric cars that store energy in their doors or chassis instead of in bulky battery packs.“In a way, it will be like having a battery free car,” says Grape, who estimates that with NAWAShell’s current level of technology, a small structural battery in the chassis of a light electric car could add an extra 15km of range. Eventually, they could build energy storage into the very walls of your home. “You integrate a new function into a composite,” explains Boulanger. “You do not change the mechanical behaviour of the structure.”

In 2017, Lamborghini announced a partnership with the Massachusetts Institute of Technology to develop the Terzo Millennio, a concept for an electric supercar powered by graphene-like materials built into its carbon fibre bodywork. The technology is rapidly improving – and could be in our phones by the early 2020s – but it will be a while before it’s good enough to power a Prius, let alone a high-end sports car. Eventually, supercapacitors made from graphene or materials like it will form an important part of our world. But for now, we’ll have to settle for a Belgrade bus ride.

[metis20] 16/8/2018 10:27

Delayed trade just popped up -

today at 09:20 37k at 120.75p

[superg1] 16/8/2018 10:19

Just going back to the DIT ad as new investors will be unaware of it.

Pre VRS being invited out to China this ad was in play and is still available to view.

You will see post the listing of it they had 4 interested. VRS were not one of them I checked at the time.

Soon after VRS were at a presentation in Bath with a Shandong delegation. VRS then received an invite out to China and it all kicked off re those VIP events and more or less a WTF is happening from the VRS team. They agreed to sign a lower level non binding LOI to give them time to digest the full document.

1 has now become 24 made up of provinces and companies. We know they have sent some Nanene to a large Chinese auto battery company for tests.

The ad