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[axotyl] 07/7/2018 12:54

"In context it was late," I think a semi-colon rather than a comma. Non?

[sandbag] 07/7/2018 12:44

"Have a great day!"

You too ;-)

[fhasson] 07/7/2018 12:36

It was a simple mistake spelling of a name. I agree it does matter but I assure you I am a stickler for grammar and spelling too. It was not malicious nor premeditated. In context it was late, I was following Elon Musk's galliant effort on Twitter to come up with a plan to save the trapped Thai cave boys and their coach. I was emotionally charged.I omitted an 'l' in Neill's name that's it. I feel so much better for sharing this now. Have a great day!

[luckyorange] 07/7/2018 12:35

Andrew Deakin BV


Dr AndrewD - 27 Dec 2017 - 10:31:03 - 16355 of 23045 Versarien Developing advanced materials and enabling engineering exploitation - VRS
Going back to my previous post on micro plastics from tyres that get into the oceans and it’s potential significance.

The related report was this one.


Before looking at that data, my thoughts were along the lines that graphene in tyres is a great idea, but the main benefit would be better premium tyres.

From the report, micro plastics from tyres generate 28% of 1.5 M tonnes of primary micro plastics that enter the oceans. So that is 420,000 tonnes of micro plastics entering the oceans from tyres.

If, and I don’t believe we can be sure yet, but if adding graphene and particularly Nanene to tyres could dramatically reduce the wear rate, then there could be significant pressure to use graphene in all tyres. That assumes that graphene really works for this application and is the best material to reduce wear rates.

In terms of volume of rubber used in tyres, the same report says 13.9M tonnes of rubber were used in 2010 of which 46% was synthetic. That is 6.4 M tonnes of synthetic rubber. If you needed 1% graphene in that, suddenly there is a demand for 64,000 tonnes of graphene. With 1,000,000 grams in a tonne, even at £1/ gram, that is a huge multi billion pound market.

Obviously loads of if, buts and maybes, and who knows if Nanene is the best graphene for this application, but clearly another potential massive market for graphene if the environmental benefits drive adoption rather than just performance benefits.

Add to that the potential to reduce the amount of plastic used in products due to increased strength by adding graphene and the overall positive environmental impact from graphene adoption appears to be significant. Understanding the impact of graphene in plastic particles and whether that can affect toxicity will clearly be an important consideration.

DYOR etc
Dr AndrewD - 23 Dec 2017 - 17:57:55 - 16268 of 23045 Versarien Developing advanced materials and enabling engineering exploitation - VRS
Axotyl's comments on a radio 4 program got me thinking about a radio 5 live program I heard a couple of weeks ago. The claim was that vehicle tyres were a major contribution to primary micro plastics that get into the ocean. That is they create a lot of the little plastic pieces that get into the ocean food chain.

I have just found this report on it.


The report estimates that 1.5 Million Tonnes of micro plastics enter the ocean every year, and 28% of that is generated by vehicle tyres.

If you then google "can graphene reduce tyre wear" you can find this:

Which shows a number of benefits for a particular tyre:
- 6% reduction in stopping distance
- 1.5 – 1.8 times mileage
- 1.5 times better rolling resistance
- 10% decrease in weight
Which includes a very large increase in mileage and therefore reduction in wear rate. If the mileage was increased by 1.65, that could reduce the percentage micro plastics from tyres from about 28% to about 17%, so another potential significant benefit for graphene.

The question then is how well Nanene would work with tyres, both in terms of wear and the other properties. I recall some hints about tyre companies on Neill's Twitter feed, and SG1 mentions 2 companies in post 14053. Hopefully a development for the future.

[grabster] 07/7/2018 12:09

I don't think sanguine works with the conditional word 'rather' ?
One is either sanguine or not, surely?

[turbocharge] 07/7/2018 11:55

I was about to head off on a leisurely cycle ride (equipped with some sustenance and reading material); however, having perused the latest posts on this thread, and noticing the use of the word 'agog' by certain characters who claim to have become reformed individuals, I feel inclined to bring to your astute attention another word that may have been falling by the wayside in recent times:

'I am rather sanguine on the prospects for VRS'

I hope you are not left aghast by this rather novel post.

[psxtalks2u] 07/7/2018 11:40

Link to Nigel Laughton tweet:

[johnveals] 07/7/2018 11:25

Absolutely Sandbag, and it is also a matter of basic respect.

[johnveals] 07/7/2018 11:23

It is nice to be sitting with a firm share price with ones head well above water. Bring on the results and yet more RNSs.

[sandbag] 07/7/2018 11:21

john,

I don't know if I can go into twitter but I did just find it by googling @nigellaughton. Thanks.

fhasson,

Spelling someone's name correctly isn't being pedantic. Amongst other things it means you find the correct person on twitter not someone with a similar name.

[grabster] 07/7/2018 11:20

20pc - what do you regard as 'old VRS' and what prompts you to expect a significant % revenue increase there?

PS: Someone else (1superg was it?) looked at the 35% overall revenue growth in 16/17 and projected a further 35% taking revenue expectation from £6m to £8m for these 17/18 results. Again my question is why that presumption that last year's 35% is any sort of guide to what might be expected to have occurred this year?

I'd be perfectly happy for both those projections to be correct - but would be even happier if there is some solid reasoning for them ;-)

We are going to find out soon anyway of course; so 'wait and see' is the likely response from some I guess. I just want to know if anything more than wishful thinking went into those projections.

Total Carbide, and Aac Cyroma, never seem to give any clues themselves (I don't mean monetary clues of course - but no clues in local business columns or recruitment adverts).

[johnveals] 07/7/2018 11:19

The run off from roads is a toxic mix of chemicals including heavy metals and all kinds of nasties pumped out of IC engines in addition to tyre particles.

The EV route is a compelling one.

[johnveals] 07/7/2018 11:13

Sandbag - I am not Hattie but go into Twitter and search for Nigellaughton.

[20pc] 07/7/2018 11:05

The results may have a lot to live up to with regard to what I call the old VRS business, I expect a significant % increase in revenue from that part of the business.
However with regards to the new 2d business opportunities it is future Y/E reports that will live up to those expectations. One big deal before this current Y/E would have the city scribblers salivating.

[superg1] 07/7/2018 11:04

Sod the Chinese delegation and potential UK enhancing international huge deals.

What about the golf day details 😂

[sandbag] 07/7/2018 10:55

hattie1,

Do you have a link for the Nigel tweet, please?

[moneysquirrel] 07/7/2018 10:52

Just noticed Versarien and 2-DTECH have followed NLR on Twitter. The Nertherlands Aerospace Centre describe their research is geared towards safer, more sustainable and efficient air transport.

[scottishfield] 07/7/2018 10:51

Are the 'tick up/down things missing, or is it just me?

[luckykids] 07/7/2018 10:46

Thank you for the earlier article CT

I think the most pertinent point in that summary was perhaps not the extended life of the tyres but the fact,
"while reducing the need for plastic particles in the manufacturing process, which is very meaningful for protecting the environment. A recent report pointed out that in the plastic waste that is less than 1 mm in diameter that is eventually dumped into the ocean, More than 28% are from tires."

Whilst we have heard it can reduce the amount of plastic in tyres from Neill, the startling statistic of more than a quarter of less than 1mm plastic waste in the oceans is from tyres alone. That enviromental fact I think will be more of a motivation with customers, it certainly would be for me.

Get it on Sky news, and get customer push!

[tini5] 07/7/2018 10:44

CS - not like transfixed, tinny sort of word.

[volsung] 07/7/2018 10:30

True Ellis. V impressed with neill. Tern more a fun punt now. If it succeeds it will will be massive. If not we’ll I’ve lost a few k. Won’t be the first or last time. Gl

[ellissj] 07/7/2018 10:20

Volsung, to my mind 'the speeding ticket' was a debacle. And 'hung out to dry' is fair comment. Neill is neill and i'd rather it was him sticking his neck out in the interests of shareholders than hiding when the going gets tough. There is a greater good at play here imo and a share worth investing in on that basis. Good luck. Aimo. Best ellis

[volsung] 07/7/2018 09:50

Ellis I hope for the best from VRS results. They have a lot to live up to. I am still building up my position again after that Israeli debacle. WRT Tern I still hold some for a long-term punt but not a life changing amount and certainly with not as much hope as with VRS. Looking forward to the match

[club sandwich] 07/7/2018 09:33

A very woody sort of word...

[mandatory] 07/7/2018 09:31

Agog - what a great word.....