Versarien Share Discussion Threads

[cyberbub] 18/5/2017 17:12

Looks like a few buyers had been waiting for 20p..

[superg1] 18/5/2017 14:46

Vox chart forecast for VRS.

Suggestion of 18.5 to 19.5 before the bounce in chart terms.



4 mins 36 secs in. The chart lady likes VRS and has it on alert it seems.

Charts and short term are no use to me I'm long haul but saw the above pop up which may be of interest to the traders.

[vasilis] 18/5/2017 12:43

Amazing how when a share retreats from a peak there are those who wake up at the back of the class and shout, 'please sir, it's going down. Why's that sir?'

Firstly, it depends on what you mean by 'going down' since this depends on the timescale you are looking at. There isn't a share on the market that doesn't have 'ups and downs' over a given period of time - even those like Gear4music to pick on one that has rocketed in the last 12 months. There are periods when it was 'going down'. With hindsight you can see that the share price came back up.

So if you look at the VRS chart you will see that there were opportunities between last August - November 2016 and then in the first part of February 2017 to have been hoovering up shares around the 10p mark. Those who did just that are still sitting on paper 'double bubble' gains. Of course, those who bought on or near the peak are sitting on paper losses - but they are just that at the moment - paper losses.

Secondly, I can do no better than quote the wise words of Benjamin Graham -


So, traders will follow the patterns of the 'voting machine' whilst longer term investors will wait till the company shows its true potential or 'weight'. And there's nothing to say you can't have a large holding for the long term, and trade smaller quantities when there is share price action for whatever reason like a trader.

Therefore traders will hop in and out of VRS - and MMs know this as well as anyone and will many times confuse the novices with rapid bid-offer moves, both upwards and downwards, but that doesn't change the actual potential of the company one jot.

VRS have clearly moved in a number of instances from the inquiry phase to the NDA phase with, it appears, some major names. And anyone who has had anything to do with NDAs knows that these are legally binding agreements between the parties(or should be) and can run for a specified period of time - years in some cases. So patience is undoubtedly required. So if you've bought the story after doing your research then daily share price movements are part and parcel of the journey to the 'promised land'.

[superg1] 18/5/2017 12:38

Warwick

I see you have some trolls on there. Oh how brave such folk are, I've been tempted to turn up at AGMs they attend, buy a share etc but they are not worth the effort much bigger fish to fry and far better things to do than dealing nutty lying posters, money perhaps pensioners. They are a disgrace to their generation.

I'll be glad to be off here for good this year and put my efforts into something else and just keep my research and investments largely under wraps.

I can stick the monthly fee for level 2 into something else. I keep getting it but then don't use it very often. Unless you trade regularly, which I don't, there is no point. But then the MMs have learned how to kid the market on level 2 anyway. MMs get their hands smacked virtually daily on false entires on level 2 trying to mislead the market.

As said it was nice hearing at the investors show and Cambridge that many have never heard of ADVFN or go on such sites.

No point updating true investors via this route it just feeds the parasites who twist things and lie for their own agenda.

[superg1] 18/5/2017 12:26

Warwick

I know it's frustrating but that's the rules and I stick to rules.

Integrity is more important than me than a quick buck. I've watched guys get sucked in on inside info to extreme levels.

I sounded off at the investor show to a guy only to discover he was FCA. I spoke with passion about the crooked companies funds and nomads in the market.

I keep saying to some I'll have a chat re some antics long since past over a beer one day and they'll see just how corrupt it all is.

I keep saying, I'll have to take that one on the chin to some as. Could knock them down with a sledgehammer but in doing so you burn your bridges and sources. Sometimes burning a source cab be a pleasure. It happens at high levels. Talking of which I wonder if Trump is thinking re firing the FBI head. lol

My opening line to the VRS CEO when I met him him was NO INSIDE INFO PLEASE I want to be able to buy if I see fit. I didn't know him so got that in first. I say that as in minutes a CEO I met at the investor show was reeling off inside info to me about news that was coming. The share price went 10 fold. Obviously everyone behind me got the same story. I knew it was BS. No such news ever came and investor got caught on the highs


What many don't get is that it's absolutely fine to be aware of inside info, you just can't act on it.

I've watched some ramp the hell out of shares when they actually knew a fund raising was coming and they were inside. It was improving the margin. Followers would go absolute barmy if they knew who it was and what went on, they have lost a packet.

[warwick69] 18/5/2017 12:07

Superg I could have written the exact same post but switch PHE for VRS i have made the exact same decision different share But still have an inkling to switch some here when my boat comes in! I also have great faith in Neil a decent straight talking CEO ! You deserve good luck as do I plenty of time spent researching and getting to know the board is the best way to find a long term golden nugget Well done

[superg1] 18/5/2017 11:46

Taking of 12 months the CFO said 12 months he would hope to have it break even not the 18 on iii.

I took that to exclude possible big advances on the blue sky tech products.

Unless you talk to them you can never get the feel of a serious team intent on building a big company with no BS along the way.

Unfortunately with the AIM that's what it's all about so every company is treated like its BS hype and I can't knock that view as that's what near all do.

So in the case of those that don't bother going to events or open days (I know some can't). It's case of put up or shut up.

If you are a trader or just in and out on high and lows FFS don't try to pretend to be a supporting investor demanding news and updates.

If you bet via SBs and don't have the cover then tough titty don't gamble beyond your means, the market will close you out depending on the agenda, it's rotten to the core.

[phoenixs] 18/5/2017 11:41

well put superg.
With VRS all the way now.

[superg1] 18/5/2017 11:30

More sellers than buyers.

I could get it up if you wish probably substantially but that would force news, followed by hunting for a nice shepherds cottage somewhere on a remote Scottish island.

I don't fancy that option so I'll just carry as as normal. :-) I don't fancy being forced back into the EU either and I don't like Chebakka.



What will be will be. I'm actually looking for £100 mill M/C as an appetiser then I'll consider where they are and where they are going from then for the main course . A couple of the big names or deals and it should go well beyond that. You have oil too if that sorts itself out Carbide will probably see material gains.

My hold plan is for a considerable time, my risk and I understand it. I was planning to put the cash into a business of my own, but with this one there is less risk and hassle and possibly far greater prospects. It's a considerable risk for me but hey ho why waste 3 years of research by not backing it.

I like graphene and other VRS business so why the hell not, you won't find me moaning and groaning if it goes wrong.

I am considerably ahead of anyone here and any fund about what the company is all about.

Did you note how the city boys weren't quiet after the pump. No doubt they'll be back buying and pumping when they see fit. Zac helped the hype by saying it was going to 35p. I see he is at it again elsewhere.
Lot's are in profit and some are just headless clueless chickens, gamblers, chancers, hike chasers etc etc. I had no plans to sell at 30p 40p and way way beyond that. I gave up long ago trying to trade illiquid companies on big numbers, it simply can't be done. The odd one or two may get lucky but you can't buy and sell as a collective on highs and lows.

If big news comes you simply won't get the recent prices as the demand would rise substantially, unless of course a large holder sold into it.

So for me, done my buying, have my pot of shares and I'll just hang on in there to see where it goes. Great team, great prospects and monster names cold calling them and with NDAs. What the share price does between now and next year will depend on how the company does long term, not sales next week, the share price short term , a pretty website or some hyped up news to keep impatient gamblers happy.

The product works and I see no reason why one or more of the NDAs wouldn't turn into a deal, via it product orders, JVs and/or taking a stake in the company/financial backing.

Anyway I need to hang some doors. I can't use the raining excuse today for the outside electric saw and planing/trimming excuse.

[ali47fish] 18/5/2017 11:23

yes but why are so many people selling to an extent that the share price is affected?

[phoenixs] 18/5/2017 11:10

ali,simple really, because there are more sells than buys today.

[ali47fish] 18/5/2017 10:35

so in a nutchell why is the share price not moving up super?

[superg1] 18/5/2017 08:39

I'm picking through the accounts Roger I have found 2016 with every detail. The backers are straight from the 2016 accounts.

It shows the options available for backing in graphene too and adds to the explanation of cold calling VRS are getting.

XG is a dud so far and the papers on results for their GNPs tends to evidence why they are going down the pan as it stands.

To think I had XG as a world lead but got suspicious about their claims and lack of performance data.

In an email they wanted to chat not pass on documents. I just haven't had the time to look at the them and now wish I'd done it earlier. Hey ho it's good evidence to show why research pays off if you are genuinely interested in the sector and not daily share price movements in various shares. That gives no indication at all for future performance of a company.

[rogerbridge] 18/5/2017 08:32

Almost as bad as allowing a large company to distribute your products on an exclusive basis. The road to ruin, but I do not think N.R. Will not allow VRS to fall into that trap.

[superg1] 18/5/2017 08:19

Possibly a reason why Dow appeared with a senior loan re XG

Hanwha Chemical Corporation – $3 million equity investment (December 2010)

• Aspen Advanced Opportunity Fund and affiliates – $18.5 million in various equity investments (2010 – 2016)

• POSCO Corporation – $5.2 million in equity investments/license agreement (June 2011 and March 2014)

• Samsung Ventures – $3 million equity investment (January 2014)

• The Dow Chemical Company – $2 million drawn on a $10 million senior debt financing (December 2016)

So in theory with my limited understanding on senior loans DOW can strangle it and bin any worth which the others have an interest in like Samsung, Hanwah and Posco.

If nothing else it shows the interest in graphene at the time and of course for those that made the effort the names may mean something to them.

Far cheaper for Dow to out in a conditional senior loan ($5 mill without further backing) than to take out all the debt.

[superg1] 18/5/2017 07:28

I lied re one more as I've found their 2016 results

Forecast 2016 sales to impress DOW $5 mill to $10 mill.

Actual $357k.

I was right to lmao about the claim.

[handygandhi] 18/5/2017 07:08

Velocity Composites debut:

www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/companies/news/177799/velocity-composites-to-take-maiden-flight-on-thursday-177799.html

It'll be interesting to see market reaction.

[noirua] 18/5/2017 00:09

Nanene - Versarien





( Please excuse information that experts here know about. A few newcomers are following simple prompts as we get up to speed, thanks )

[superg1] 17/5/2017 20:22

XG again

I did realise they had tried or are trying to go public. But look what ahooens when you read the document submitted.

Although we expect to begin to significantly scale revenue in 2016, we have not yet demonstrated the capability to produce sufficient materials to generate the ongoing revenues necessary to sustain our operations in the long-term.

Jeez they started in 2006 and 11 years on still not viable.

more

Developing, manufacturing and selling nanomaterials in commercially-viable quantities requires substantial funding. Since inception, we have raised approximately $32 million of capital through the issuance of equity and equity-linked securities and through licensing fees.

Since our inception we have incurred annual losses every year and have accumulated a deficit from operations of $(43,371,368) through December 31, 2015.

However, as of the date of this prospectus, we have cash on hand that is only sufficient to fund our operations through the end of March 2016. We also believe that we will need approximately $4.8 million to sustain us for the next 12 months. The Company’s financial projections show that the Company may need to raise an additional $15,000,000 or more before it is capable of achieving sustainable cash flow from operations.