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[superg1] 17/5/2017 16:30

Now you will have confused folk with a buy price above the current rate, I get it.

The pending articles may do that if it attracts some new buying or perks others up to get back in.

I can't be sure re one on timings but Hastings the author of another says that is out in June.

If you are looking at graphene as a business project to get into steer clear of AGM the tech is still unproven.

So far I'm finding that synthetic GNPs have poor lateral sizes. Cambridge nano is one at 300nm on lateral. This is well below what some say is useful for composites.

I've found 3 synthetic versions and all display very poor lateral size, one has discontinued. I suspect AGM if they can get the tech working ( doubt they ever will) may still have that issue so would love to find a paper to prove lateral size is an issue for that lot.

I know this is probably over your head but graphene is world full of false claims. I've just been having comms with a guy in the US on the topic who is looking at graphene companies.

[marnewton] 17/5/2017 15:38

Thanks superg, I'll go back to your early posts.

Meanwhile, I'll look for an entry point on the chart...probably closes above 23.00p.

Cheers,

Martin

[jointer13] 17/5/2017 15:26

and why should vrs be bothered about the share price short term.....they know what they have and whats coming.

[marnewton] 17/5/2017 15:09

What happens in early August, superg?

If I'm 'trading' a share I really don't want to know or understand the fundamentals (it muddies the waters).

Here, I'm trying to find out, what little I have discovered has piqued my interest.

M

[phoenixs] 17/5/2017 14:53

superg, Hopefully, there will be some substantive news before you're off.

[superg1] 17/5/2017 14:42

Marn

You just walked into that one.

Recently I'd been going on about about the vast majority of 'investors' not having a any idea what they are invested in then have opinions on something they haven't got the slightest clue about. They make no effort to begin to try and understand then are headless chickens about matters which are irrelevant.

You are excused being a chart guy trader.

Chart traders don't need to know a damn thing about a company the management or what they do, fund raise, cash levels etc etc.. I get that I do it myself from time to time but only on punt level. I call it trading. Some try to pretend they are investors ,they are traders even though they may not know that. What I don't do is put out false info when I'm doing such trades I don't post on the BBs. Some do and I have little respect for the antics they use, lying toe rags with no morals imo just pure self centred greed using deception to achieve their aims.

No worries early August or sooner depending on circs I'll be off here for good and will be glad to bin ADVFN.

[luckyorange] 17/5/2017 14:36

All you need to know marnewton is that the VRS GNP'a are just what everyone is looking for ;-)

[superg1] 17/5/2017 14:33

Marn

Great timing exactly my point and a matter I was just about to raise.

Multi-layer.

That student did that study on those multi-layer Gnps for 4 years.

He was under the wing of Professor Robert Young and Professor Ian Kinloch both of the UOM.

So as far as I'm concerned debate over re multi-aleyr GNPS. It's junk and anyone trying to sell GNPs of multi-aleyr suggesting it strengthens composites is just lying. Unless of course they can show tests by the likes of the UOM/NGI that shows it works.

I have been looking or performance data for years. Near all including XG simply list scientific comments about graphene.

Now I know why they don't provide evidence. The multi-layer lot suggesting certain performance improvements are just scamming unsuspecting customers.

The wheel is turning and will turn fully as and when the list of this escaped realise they have been done. They want graphene. There is plenty of comment about he carp out there by the NGI and various well known experts.

Now I'm starting to get all those cold calls and NDAs with VRS as VRS have said we have graphene called Nanene and it works.

Others exist with some that works but it seems 99% of the current 'graphene' is useless junk for many claimed uses.

[marnewton] 17/5/2017 14:24

I rest my case;¬)

[superg1] 17/5/2017 14:21

Graphene sweet spot

It seems to me there is a sweet spot for GNPs having read that paper and Nanene obviously hits it.

IT's a bit of a Goldilocks story.

Thickness is too many layers.

Lateral has the issue of too big or too small. I've know about too small as some have started to not include strength gains for small lateral sized GNPs.

At a certain size on lateral the Gnps start to buckle in the mix which defeats the theoretical gain they could provide.

The epoxy used in the tests was Araldite LY556.

So when I say sweet spot as declared many times now and proven in that paper multi-layer not only does not work its severely depletes the strength of the Araldite compared to its raw form. So you would not want to use that in an expoxy resin unless strength is not a factor you are looking for and you are happy to lose the original strength.

There is nothing unusual about XG M grade GNPs so Imo they are a fair reflection of all multi-layer Gnps and their performance for strength enhancement.

VRS currently call their multi-layer leftovers as part of the Nanene process as waste material with no current use. It may become feedstock for the ink process.

Others have such junk advertised for sale as graphene suitable for improving strength in composites. They are lying, the UOM has tested such multi-layer overseen by Robert Young and the results are atrocious.

So VRS keep saying it has to be under 10 layer performance falls of a cliff as you go to multi-layer.

There it is in detail in that paper. It doesn't just fall off a cliff it takes a good epoxy resin and it reduces strength by up to over 80% before they added multi-layer Gnps.

I'm now off to look for Grade C XG which I found before. I recall that showed a gain of about 4% on 2% loadings which again is poor.

[marnewton] 17/5/2017 14:14

VRS is on my watch-list, but, for me, most of the posts might as well be in Greek:¬(

Luckily I'm a chartist and can leave the 'science' to you lot;¬)

M

[phoenixs] 17/5/2017 14:02

wondering whether it may help traction with LH's tyres at the start of each race.

[luckyorange] 17/5/2017 13:56

Could you pop the evidence in the header superg? Although we speculated re the Richard Mille it's good to have it straight from the horses mouth that McLaren do use graphene in their f1 set up.

Hopefully they will supply the grid with graphene enhanced parts as they do the CPU.

[luckyorange] 17/5/2017 13:45

I understand what you are saying phoenix, as superg has stated it has caused the decline of advfn with their lack of moderation, a shame really because it could be a useful sounding board for like minded investors.

[shavian] 17/5/2017 13:44

This will start to get discussed on F1 TV soon. Anyone got contacts there? If so get them asking where MacLaren / North got hold of their graphene. A bit of intrigue makes good PR

[rogerbridge] 17/5/2017 13:19

It is a pity that McLaren F1, do not have a better engine than Honda, we may have had more of an impact.

[phoenixs] 17/5/2017 13:13

lucky,
this a board in which people communicate with each other and exchange opinions,views and research. Unfortunately on a number of other boards that doesn't happen for a variety of reasons, some of which I will keep to myself.

[skylite] 17/5/2017 13:11

I take great pride in backing donkeys at the Festival Graham. 25 years of peerless success.

[luckyorange] 17/5/2017 13:03

Don't know why you Haydale investors lurk here, if you don't like a company focus on the one you are invested in or go elsewhere.

To be fair to Ray he does try very hard to improve the company/ get funds in, not invested, admire his tenacity but it ain't VRS.

NTPT should be placing another order very soon , good find jointer.

[serratia] 17/5/2017 12:25

A bit harsh ?

The guy doing the paper suing XG sciences