Totally Share Discussion Threads

[barvin] 05/11/2018 13:51

Nutball doesn't care. His sole mission is to try and damage any company that STT is invested in. I have tried to have a reasonable conflab with him, but he isn't interested. The poison just bubbles through and if he did have an impartial view it would be misaligned with his main objective. Just ignore him or put him on filter. He offers absolutely no views worth listening too, because they are all based on an agenda.

[macthepak] 05/11/2018 13:45

A question to football

TLY spent £11 mln to buy Vocare in 2017.

Since the acquisition revenue has gone up from £3.5 mln to £40.2 mln and TLY pre tax losses have narrowed from £1.3 mln to £546,000.

Is this £11 mln well spent? £11 mln in return for £800,000 to narrow the losses?

[sikhthetech] 05/11/2018 13:44

CQC report - Staffordshire - published a couple of weeks ago...
(thanks to graham on lse)

[football] 05/11/2018 11:06

Seriously this is either buy or sell results/trading update it's like most companies on the AIM market treading water or jam tomorrow results.

If you're invested no need to sell up as is enough to keep you interested but the same can be said about attracting new investors as this not enough to entice them at present so on the backburner to the next set of results or next deal which might transform the company



Good luck all

[football] 05/11/2018 10:47

This is the only positive news I can find about today's results



And I think Francis hits the nail on the head in summing up where the share price will be this time next year












Remember do your own research and don't rely or trust any think anyone posts on anonymous free message board

[football] 05/11/2018 10:42

Ask yourself if the results are so great why is a company posting £800,000 loss before smoke and mirrors make it into a small profit and 1.2 million cash burn in six months come on 2.4 million maybe in a year if all your contracts and everything goes to plan.

[barvin] 05/11/2018 10:36

Or take anything into consideration that Nutball says

[football] 05/11/2018 10:36

No techy must be rubbing his hands with all the new money he's got with he's new short today! What was it up 7% down 12% easy 19% for the top magician here sucking in new mug punters

[football] 05/11/2018 10:17

Do hope no one got taken in by techies mad ramping posting this morning to sucking new mug punters only for him into selling to the rise and take a short out again



Be warned its your money and do your own research don't rely on a ramper for your information or research and like I say on my thread this is a rampers thread and do your own research and don't believe a word of what anyone says.



Unlike the leader here who speaks with fork tongue




be careful new punters you been warned about techy and his ramping gang here

[sikhthetech] 05/11/2018 10:09

Totally Interim Loss Narrows As Revenue, Order Book Grows Amid Buyouts

[grahamwales] 05/11/2018 09:27

Lets be honest the company has grown big time in the last couple of years, if they bought already profitable companies they would have paid a much higher price for them. The trick is trying to integrate those businesses and make them profitable. As they say work still to be done but seems to be going in the right direction.

The more businesses they add the more chance of not only utilising people within the new companies to strengthen the team but pick up contracts that benefit all subsidiaries instead of having to outsource.

[microscope] 05/11/2018 09:27

Absolutely Nobby. The up to 1 million spent on Vocare in six months is imho extremely unlikely to need repeating 1gw, and do you know of another company that has increased turnover more than tenfold, gross profit fivefold, and has nine million cash with a market cap of under 12 million? You see, for every negative, there is a positive here (and fyi I do understand balance sheets, as do plenty others including sikh, spurs and Barvin, and I acknowledged work needs to be done in some areas in an earlier post this morning) ;)

[barvin] 05/11/2018 09:19

1gw, the Vocare purchase brought little assets and large goodwill consideration but a large turnover and a good position into a growing market.

I agree the current ratio isn't great but plenty of cash at hand and we don't know the true complexities of NHS billing as we state.

BUT, if this was on a fair or high rating those things would be seen as discount reasons. But we aren't - this is lowly valued and at such a cheap rating that you are bound to have some negatives and ones which are acceptable on the current valuation imo.

The question is: Do the positives outway the negatives here based on its current valuation? For me, that is a resounding yes.

[nobbygnome] 05/11/2018 09:14

The market discounts what is going to happen in the future not in the past! I am a very simple soul and consider that TLY will sort out the remaining issues with Vocare and be a profitable growing business going forward. Therefore, it looks massively undervalued and is a strong buy IMHO.

Focussing on the balance sheet is like driving whilst looking in the rear view mirror......

[1gw] 05/11/2018 09:13

Stt - AH contingent consideration is directly linked to profitability (pbt). I haven't checked PPH but I presume it is also linked to profitability (probably pbt or ebitda).

[1gw] 05/11/2018 09:11

Microscope - do you know of another company which has negative (and worsening) net current assets, negative net tangible assets and negative operating cash flow?

[sikhthetech] 05/11/2018 09:05

1gw,

"they've reduced the contingent consideration again."

I repeat,

"Where does it show that estimated profitability has reduced AT AH and/or PPH?"

[microscope] 05/11/2018 09:03

Barvin agreed, and the FD herself states: 'both aged trade debtors and trade creditors queries are being resolved and balances cleared.' so i think it would be very difficult to get much more info on the trade payables at this stage, as they sound rather fragmented in nature.

I also think we could take almost any company's balance sheet and find something in the minutiae to criticize. Overall things are now very much on track here imho.

[1gw] 05/11/2018 09:00

Stt - they've reduced the contingent consideration again.

[sikhthetech] 05/11/2018 08:57

1gw,

"Also the further apparent reduction in estimated profitability of AH and/or PPH just looks like they don't know what's going on, doesn't it?"



They state that About Health has renewed all their contracts and gained some...

Where does it show that estinated profitability has reduced at AH and/or PPH?

[barvin] 05/11/2018 08:42

I think you are being abit harsh 1gw. We knew this half would have an investment in Vocare. We got a profit last time and cashflow now is good with a nice strong cash balance as a safety net.I agree that it would be nice to see the full details of trade payables so we can delve a bit deeper. But for the ridiculously low valuation here, I think we can let the odd negative or two ride.

[nobbygnome] 05/11/2018 08:30

Oh the MMs and their games.....

[football] 05/11/2018 08:27

So techy if EBITDA profit is any good here why is it okay over a surely a loss is a loss and a EBITDA profit is a profit



Or do sad trolls have different outlooks depending on if there long or short on the company?





sikhthetech - 11 Oct 2018 - 14:47:15 - 9269 of 9577 RHYTHMONE - new Name, new Beginning??? - RTHM
Good post, worth repeating...

luafc4 Oct '18 - 21:51 - 6878 of 6964
0.010000 6 0
Whatever factors truly explain this long time non-performing asset of RTHM (and there may be several), one that is not helpful and corrodes investor support is the opaque nature of financial releases. The practice of focusing on and reporting ADJUSTED EBITDA with not sufficient analysis of true profitability (or lossibility) has gone on for too long.

[barvin] 05/11/2018 08:24

If you actually new anything but poison. You would be looking at the net cash flow from operations which is just under £1k. That is the cashflow.We knew about the one off exceptional investment, or at least the people who had a neutral interest did. Not nutcases like you.