Powerhouse Energy Share Discussion Threads

[vatnabrekk] 07/3/2018 18:17

Super:
Surely something can only be categorised as a failure when something that was supposed to happen fails to happen, or when a target or deadline is missed.

So, failure in Australia. Failure in what way? Yes, the Pyromex system failed, but apart from that?

Failure to get any ground broken. They are not there yet. KA has said for about a year that they would be "breaking ground" on the first site around April this year. That is still the target. If they miss that then they will have failed to hit that target, although missing it by a few months will not be fatal. But if you want to declare something a failure, then you really have to wait for the failure to take place.

Failure to get revenue. PHE is still a development company with a prototype machine which works and is generating electricity. They don't have a commercial unit to sell. So they can't earn Revenue. Surely that cannot be classified as a failure at this stage? Wait until they have something to sell, and if they can't sell it, then declare it a failure.

Failure to receive a fuel cell from AFC. How do you know that that is PHE's failure? Could it be AFC's failure? Wait for the correct information before declaring it a failure on the part of either company.

The tech won't work under extensive industrial use? A whole lot of engineers, scientists and managers, as well as large supporting companies, believe otherwise. What high-level technical knowledge do you have that entitles you to make sweeping statements like that? I think I would rather put my faith in them than in you.

[schofi2] 07/3/2018 17:03

Share options are not pure dilution, dilution can only occur when holders of stock options, such as company employees, or holders of other optionable securities exercise their options.

This will only happen if the share price is above the current price e.g. above 0.6p and options taken. 0.6p is price the options takers will have to pay the company for the shares so the money is kept within the business.

Also it's quite likely and would make sense that the company would buy shares below the 0.6p price prior to options taken and issued making that price a floor.

[superg1] 07/3/2018 15:32

Failure is Aus, failure to get any 'ground broken', failure to get any revenue, so far failure to get funding, failure to receive the fuel cell from AFC which should have arrived months ago.

FFS share options issued at no risk at all to them with such significant dilution is not a positive update, it's theft.

Jeez they sponge off £20k per month in shares to where the CEO is, 50% profits to someone else and now this. No worries profit will never come the tech won't work under extensive industrial use. The 6 months was BS baffles brains they had already said it has run for 300 hours, it's just been around for 6 months.

Think of how anyone approached for funding would look at it, they have with that already locked in diluted future value by about 8%.

[lagosboy] 07/3/2018 15:08

Go read through the RNS's of the last 24 months and all will become very clear.

I suppose the demo in Brisbane was a roaring success ?

[vatnabrekk] 07/3/2018 14:41

"...given the track record of failure."

What track record was that, lagosboy? Please be specific, but let's not go over the Pyromex failure again. So what are the other failures?

[schofi2] 07/3/2018 13:54

If you don't know what a share option is don't comment.

Share options give you the right to buy a specific number of shares of your company's stock during a time and at a price that your employer specifies which is usually 3 to 5 years in advance. for PHE the price has been set at .6 pence so it is not a scandal as this is above the current price. This is what anyone given a share option will have to pay for the share.

A share option is that, an option to buy. If the share increases in value over the years it is obviously a good deal for the persons granted them. If the share price falls the person granted them does not have to take the option to buy.

So scare mongers is this clear to you?????

[lagosboy] 07/3/2018 13:52

the options should have been staggered in tranches with increasing exercise prices and exercise dates.

This is a Christmas present - absolutely appalling given the track record of failure.

[1savvyinvestor] 07/3/2018 13:10

if the price hits , say 3p, the directors would purchase the shares at a high discount . But its got to get there. That is the incentive - pure and simple!! Whether it ever gets to those heights is a completely different question...and one I am currently unable to answer with current info.

[tsmith2] 07/3/2018 13:04

what's the massive incentive? Have they paid anything for the options?

[1savvyinvestor] 07/3/2018 12:40

Nothing wrong with these options. Massive incentive to Keith and the board. I'm not invested but keep watching. I have a problem with how far away profits are so will not invest till I have a clearer idea and the company is more than a pipe dream. I really wish them good luck. We need tech like this .

[schofi2] 07/3/2018 09:42

Like I have said before. A positive RNS and the doom mongers are out in force. I wonder why? NOT...
Share options are a good thing for employees and for the long term of a business.

Stock options from your employer give you the right to buy a specific number of shares of your company's stock during a time and at a price that your employer specifies. for PHE this has been set at .6 pence so it is not a scandal as this is above the current price.

Both privately and publicly held companies make options available for several reasons:
• They want to attract and keep good workers.
• They want their employees to feel like owners or partners in the business.
• They want to hire skilled workers by offering compensation that goes beyond a salary. This is especially true in start-up companies that want to hold on to as much cash as possible.
The price the company sets on the stock (called the grant or strike price) is discounted and is usually the market price of the stock at the time the employee is given the options. Since those options cannot be exercised for some time, the hope is that the price of the shares will go up so that selling them later at a higher market price will yield a profit. You can see, then, that unless the company goes out of business or doesn't perform well, offering stock options is a good way to motivate workers to accept jobs and stay on. Those stock options promise potential cash or stock in addition to salary.

QED

[bittorrent] 07/3/2018 08:56

Couldn't agree more phoenixs.

[slartybartfaster] 05/3/2018 15:42

Thats a shame. I was hoping you would put your queries and concerns to KA and report back. We dont need to read carillions ye report, there are plenty of china frauds on aim and of course cloud tag, globo and quindel, etc.

[nelson5100] 05/3/2018 14:23

No thanks. Sorry for the delay just been reading the EY report on Carillion.
Worthwhile read for any AIM investor.

[slartybartfaster] 05/3/2018 13:32

It's a simple question nelson. Yes or no will do!

[slartybartfaster] 04/3/2018 17:56

Nelson, do you want KA email address?

[vatnabrekk] 04/3/2018 16:01

Don't know, Nelson. Tell you what, you ask them that question, then come back and tell us the answer because we would all love to know.

[nelson5100] 04/3/2018 15:54

Which company will KA and David Ryan be acting in the best interests when they are making decisions at Board meetings at Waste2Tricty or at PHE,?

What happens when there is a conflict of interest so at PHE any decision which adversely impacts on W2T do they refuse themselves?

[vatnabrekk] 04/3/2018 15:47

Yes Nelson, correct (within the time limit). It's called a Joint Venture.

[nelson5100] 04/3/2018 15:37

And of those 49% JV profits they then have to share 50% with Waste2Tricty.