Optibiotix Health Share Discussion Threads

[uzbek2] 20/10/2017 18:28

Another thing to bear in mind as mentioned by Risky is this:- 'When we are talking about a potential Statin replacement when Opti combined LPLDL with LPGOS (the sugar that TATA has just signed to manufacture) there was a threefold increase in the cholesterol reduction compared to LPLDL on its own'. If Adnan had taken the combo, what would the results look like?

JH - we think LDL is keeping his score at 6 but it could move either way from here.

[john henry] 20/10/2017 18:19

Chrisg11 you are incorrect, when you come off statins your cholesterol level will return to its pre statin level.The fact that Ad levels have not returned to 7.5 shows that the LDL is in fact working to keeping his level at 6.
These facts come from my dads use of statins.

[chrisg11] 20/10/2017 18:17

Risky..indeed risky that may be correct but we cannot make those conclusions at this stage from Adnan's results although the claims may well turn out to be correct!

The BP results are quite interesting although a sample of 2 people both of whom are financial investors would not meet everyone's criteria.

I do agree that the microbiome is extremely interesting and promising hence my investment but getting carried away and making nonsensical claims will be detrimental in the long run.

Even the hype over the 50 people study is overdone but is interesting..

[riskybusiness1] 20/10/2017 18:04

Chris You are correct in terms of Adnans results not being of any scientific significance as with any individual private study. It is useful however to know that Adnan has remained at a healthy cholesterol level whilst coming off Statin medication for three months. It is likely that levels would have returned to levels prior to beginning a course of statins without taking LPLDL. This is clearly inconclusive but still useful to know. There are so many variables to consider, that is why Opti conduct double blinded placebo trials independently by experts in this field. It is definitely not a concern that levels have increased as we know from Optis studies those that have higher starting cholesterol levels have the greatest results..whereas Adnan started with very low levels following taking statins which is obviously a medication.The most significant information is that LPLDL is potentially better at reducing blood pressure than statins either way interesting to know peoples cases and should not be passed off as useless.

[chrisg11] 20/10/2017 18:02

Ferdinand..that is a very reasonable comment but makes the incorrect assumption that the cholesterol would quickly go up to previous levels which is not true..It would go up and is indeed going up even on LP LDL.

[jimmylufc] 20/10/2017 17:58

yes Chris - I must be a lot brighter as I can see the other side of your argument - just posted

[jimmylufc] 20/10/2017 17:56

Kipper, ofcourse I agree with your comments but specifically - whilst statins decreased Adnan's cholesterol levels from 7.5 to 5.5 (and accompanying side effects, etc), now that he is on Opti's LP-LDL, his cholesterol has increased to 6.0, this has increased by 0.5 which is fact - what Chris (from memory) is not listening to is the counter argument which is that this is still a net 1.5 reduction from 7.5 (and hopefully more as he continues to use Opti's LP-LDL)

Anyway, its not like no research/trials have been done on this - all trial/tests have been very positive and as has been pointed out lower cholesterol levels together with lower blood pressure is a game changer which is why I have put my money where my mouth is and will continue to buy where I can

[chrisg11] 20/10/2017 17:54

Uzbek2 has got it!

[f3rdinand] 20/10/2017 17:52

Chris, surely the point about Statins is that they need to be continuously taken or your cholesterol levels will go back to the start point! You aren't cured of high cholesterol after taking a few statins! Therefore it makes sense that the initial high cholesterol reading is taken as the measure against OPTI's product! If it was no good then Adnan's level would have quickly gone back up to his pre-statin level!

[chrisg11] 20/10/2017 17:51

You are obviously brighter than me jimmy.

So let's keep things simple and for the sake of discussion say that LPLDL reduced cholesterol which is brilliant news.

Can anyone tell me from what level it reduced it.

[uzbek2] 20/10/2017 17:50

The key in regards to results from LPLDL is to measure the reading 3 months and 6 month after using ONLY LDLPD with no other drugs being used prior to this. If Adnan had reported a fall from 7.5 to 6 without any use of statins, then can we say that LPLDL is a complete success. I am sure the probiotic does its job but we need to judge it in isolation.

[kipper1960] 20/10/2017 17:40

I agree with Chris to some extent. It is wrong to draw any conclusions from one unscientific test case, especially when the subject has a vested interest (as an OPTI shareholder). However, as SOH says, there have been controlled tests on 50 subjects under more scientific conditions. I haven't being listening in on the twitter discussion, but I hope it is focusing on those trials than Adnan's story (with all due respect to Adnan and thanks to him for his other valuable contributions to this BB).

[jimmylufc] 20/10/2017 17:37

must just be you then Chris - can't see anyone else agreeing with you

[chrisg11] 20/10/2017 17:28

I have read the responses and they are totally incorrect so I am pointing that out.

Read my last post which explains the results clearly and accurately.

[asterix96] 20/10/2017 17:23

Adnan whole objective was to reduce his reliance on statins which caused him pain.
By using LP LDL he can keep within safe cholesterol limits and reduce the pain that statins caused!

[jimmylufc] 20/10/2017 17:21

Chris - you need to read the responses that one/two of the other posters have made to your point as it doesn't seem to be sinking in

[imnotlong] 20/10/2017 17:14

Adnan's results tweeted by Opti themselves this afternoon. Not sure whether that's good or just looks a bit naff by picking up on bulletin board chit chat.

[chrisg11] 20/10/2017 17:04

In danger of labouring an unwanted point but people are making totally incorrect assertions re Adnan's results.

It would be ridiculous to use the original cholesterol level as the start point for LPLDL as this was decreased due to the statin not LP LDL.

The cholesterol level actually went up after starting LP LDL so to claim benefit from it is scientific and statistical nonsense.

We will know more after a few more readings but let's not get carried away as if anything the rise in cholesterol is a little concerning.

I am as excited as anyone re the potential here not to mention the chance to make money but let's get the facts right.

Adnan's results confirm the superb results using a statin but tell us nothing about LPLDL.

It seems remarkable to me that a cholesterol level goes up and people then rejoice and claim it's gone down.

After saying all this I have great faith that manipulating the microbiome is the exciting future.

I will leave it at that on this point otherwise we will get bogged down but with respect I can assure you all that I am correct

[nimrod22] 20/10/2017 17:03

Not true re no movement; I made a bucketful as I'm sure many others have done in OPTI after selling before April 5th when shifting in to ISA. Since then its been hard work.
Looking at the share price graph many others were doing the same.

[fathenry] 20/10/2017 16:50

well done mate, no movement this year or last year, bit of a teaser , wot with all the loveys on here, it can do no wrong, wat a larf its always jam tomorra

[nimrod22] 20/10/2017 16:35

Sold again this morning and trousered another grand, will buy back in when it bounces back of the ropes. The way things are going it appears to be the only way to make a profit since the share price appears to oscillate between the same higher and lower levels. Having said that there does appear to be a flag pole starting at 15th August and a pennant flag forming after it, which may indicate a breakout one direction or another?
I'm no expert on charts, but understood that pennants only work in strong trends which OPTI doesn't have, and that they should form over a shorter time scale. Maybe somebody with some expert knowledge could advise, as I'm only a beginner. Maybe these sort of indicators don't work with this type of share??

[diamond fibre] 20/10/2017 16:34

Slartybartfaster, see how quick you are to be narsty, I may have used the wrong term and now say gossip or rumor. DIAMOND.

[imnotlong] 20/10/2017 16:33

Elrico, it was the phrase I was commenting on. In an RNS back in January this year SOH referred to the start of the commercial phase. Of course this commercial phase will go on for years. I was just questioning how long he will keep referring to the start or beginning of the commercial phase. That's all.

[onedayrodders] 20/10/2017 16:21

it's been going up since mid August

[fathenry] 20/10/2017 16:00

dont it ever go up, while you lot are jabbering, -3p on top
rub out man