Lloyds Banking Share Discussion Threads

[cheshire pete] 29/8/2020 15:12

Because they want it to be seen by all and sundry. Playing on the psychology fear hope and greed....punters supposed to think they might know something the rest of us don't and get nervous.

[utrickytrees] 29/8/2020 13:21

Why would Marshall Wace take a short position of 0.51% when you have disclose the position at 0.5% and above?

[xxxxxy] 29/8/2020 12:53

Tom Archer29 Aug 2020 12:43PM@Ricardo MontalbanThere is a cunning plan afoot to massively wrong foot the EU if we leave on WTO.It's called: 'don't rush to do anything'WTO sets guidelines for tariffs, but does not enforce collection, therefore, no hurry..Imagine the Irish border on January 1 - loads of EU goons on the Republic side - but not a soul on the north....the press will have a field day!

[poikka] 29/8/2020 12:53

"A rescue boat funded by British street artist Banksy has issued urgent calls for help, saying it is stranded in the Mediterranean and overloaded with migrants who it has been unable to bring ashore."

Better ask Banksy.

[maxk] 29/8/2020 12:49

I wouldnt bank on that.

Boris could still do a u-turn.

[xxxxxy] 29/8/2020 12:32

So obviously.There willbe a No Deal.WTO. Ideal

[xxxxxy] 29/8/2020 12:31

What's the point of a UK-EU trade deal, if only the EU benefits?12 years of talks, and Canada's EU deal resulted in its goods deficit worsening by 27%?Canadian PM Trudeau & EU Commission President Juncker sign trade deal, 201616 years after starting, Canada's deal still hasn't been ratified by half the EU's countriesAn EXCLUSIVE Brexit Facts4EU.Org update on Canada's woeful experience with the EUThe EU has so few serious trade deals with the rest of the world that it still trumpets one deal – the one with Canada - which only half the EU27 countries have signed. It's a deal which has benefited the EU more than Canada. If the UK's experience with the EU follows Canada's, questions must be asked about whether the current UK-EU talks are worth the candle.Back in the glory days of 2016 immediately after the British people had voted to leave the European Union, the EU Commission was desperate for any kind of positive news to present.In October 2016 they duly invited the Prime Minister of Canada, Justin Trudeau, to Brussels to sign the long-awaited 'Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement' (CETA) which had notionally been agreed three years earlier, back in 2014.Never one to pass up a photo opportunity Mr Trudeau accepted the EU's invitation, and on 30 October 2016 CETA was signed by him amongst much pomp and circumstance in Brussels.?© Brexit Facts4EU.Org 2020What has happened to Canada's trade deficit with the EU since signing the trade deal?BREXIT FACTS4EU.ORG SUMMARYCanada's trade deficit since signing the EU-Canada trade deal in 2016Canada's deficit in goods with the EU27 has worsened by 27%, to -€17.5bnCanada's deficit in services with the EU27 has not improved either and is now -€5.5bnCanada's EU27 exports have risen, but the EU27's exports to Canada have risen far moreWhen the UK is removed, Canada's exports to the EU overall will have dropped dramatically?© Brexit Facts4EU.Org - click to enlargeFour months before Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau flew to Brussels to sign the EU-Canada (CETA) deal, the British people had voted to leave the EU. At that moment the EU deal suddenly became much less sweet to Canada.In 2016 Canadians sold goods worth $Canadian 41,880 million to the EU2843% of this was actually sold to the UKWithout the UK, Canada's EU Trade Agreement is worth a whole lot less than it was?© Brexit Facts4EU.Org - click to enlargeThe tortured history of this trade deal which the EU is so proud ofThe EU says the EU-Canada trade deal (CETA) took 7 years. No it didn't. It started in 2004 in Ottawa. That's 12 years before it was signed.BREXIT FACTS4EU.ORG SUMMARYTimeline of Canada-EU Trade Deal2004 : Ottawa, deal framework was agreed, negotiations started2009 : Prague, negotiations were rebranded as CETA trade deal2014 : Toronto, a signed 'in principle' agreement was presented2016 : Brussels, deal is vetoed by Belgian region of Wallonia2016 : Brussels, deal is signed by Canadian PM Justin Trudeau2017 : Brussels, parts of the deal are finally effected2020 : Brussels, only 14 of the 27 EU member states have so far ratified the dealNone of the EU27's top 3 economies have ratified: Germany, France, and Italy12 years since negotiations started with the EU, and then the problems really startedIf Mr Trudeau thought the CETA deal was done and dusted, he was in for a surprise. First up was the divided EU member state of Belgium, which still today only barely functions as a country. Belgium requested the ECJ to rule on whether the CETA deal was in fact lawful.In the months leading up to Mr Trudeau's visit, 'the Walloons went up'. Wallonia is a French-speaking part of Belgium with its own parliament, and they refused to sign. In the end, a day before Justin Trudeau's arrival in Brussels, pressure was brought to bear and Belgium agreed in principle to sign, although it still hasn't ratified the deal.The United Kingdom ratified the deal on 08 November 2018, while it was still a member of the EU.OBSERVATIONSHow logical are the EU?It would seem logical to try to do trade deals with the world's largest economies, and to make these the key priorities. After all, if you compare just one deal with a country like the USA with a country like Canada, a US deal would be worth ten times what the Canadian deal is worth.Unfortunately after more than 60 years of existence, the EEC/EU hasn't managed to do a trade deal with the biggest and most powerful economy in the world.What price an EU-UK trade deal?After America the United Kingdom is the EU27's second-largest market – far bigger than that of China.Instead of working hard and in good faith to negotiate a new trading arrangement with the UK, the EU has placed every conceivable obstacle (and quite a few inconceivable ones) in the way of achieving a successful outcome. This started in 2016 when it refused to have any discussions with the UK – not even informal ones. In the intervening years the number of artificial obstructions it has thrown up has been legion.Hope is now being placed in a last-minute compromise being forged, with Barnier being sidelined and the EU27 leaders (Angela Merkel in particular) becoming involved in the final months of this year.What we should do with the EUOur response to the EU is simple. No compromise. We would tell the EU27 politely: "Do a normal free trade deal now or we will hold you as acting in bad faith. The evidence for this is now unequivocal and overwhelming. As a result we will be legally entitled to repudiate the Withdrawal Agreement. No massive divorce bill. No nothing. Trade with us on WTO terms by all means, if you want to try to keep the €100bn+ trade surpluses you've been running with us each year."Our message to Prime Minister Johnson is equally simple : "Announce immediate and full-scale preparations for a WTO-terms exit. Publicise these daily, just like you did with the Coronavirus. And make sure Angela Merkel and Emmanuel Macron know that you mean business. Announce that you will also be repudiating the Withdrawal Agreement."Finally, Brexit Facts4EU.Org has been the most prolific researcher and publisher of Brexit facts for the past five years - since before the EU Referendum. Sadly we can't keep researching, publishing and campaigning without the support of you, dear reader. We have no corporate billionaire backers, unlike some Remain campaigners. If you haven't previously donated, could we ask you to consider this now? If all readers gave just £5 we could survive until Christmas. As it is, only a small proportion are able to donate, so whatever you can give would be very much appreciated. Quick, secure, and confidential donation methods are below. Thank you so much.[ Sources: Statistics Canada | Eurostat | EU Commission ] Politicians and journalists can contact us for details, as ever.Brexit Facts4EU.Org, Sat 29 Aug 2020

[xxxxxy] 29/8/2020 12:28

John Redwood@johnredwood5mJust heard the Radio 4 take on UK/EU trade talks. They only gave us the EU analysis. They should also let us state the case for all the wins once we leave. Let's move on from Project Fear.

[xxxxxy] 29/8/2020 12:27

Sovereignty.Independence.Democracy.Not understood or actually practised in the EUSSR.No Deal.WTO

[maxk] 29/8/2020 12:27

The beginning of the end for lefty telly news..bbc, itv, channel4 RIP




Rivals plan Fox News-style opinionated TV station in UK

Groups pitching to perceived desire for alternative output as trust in BBC falls


Jim Waterson Media editor
Sat 29 Aug 2020 06.00 BST





Rival efforts are under way to launch a Fox News-style opinionated current affairs TV station in Britain to counter the BBC.

One group is promising a news channel “distinctly different from the out-of-touch incumbents” and has already been awarded a licence to broadcast by the media regulator, Ofcom, under the name “GB News”. Its founder has said the BBC is a “disgrace” that “is bad for Britain on so many levels” and “needs to be broken up”.

A rival project is being devised in the headquarters of Rupert Murdoch’s British media empire by the former Fox News executive David Rhodes, although it is unclear whether it will result in a traditional TV channel or be online-only.


Both are pitching to a perceived gap in the market for opinionated video output fuelled by growing distrust of the BBC among some parts of its audience, especially on the political right over culture war issues such as Brexit and whether Rule, Britannia! should be sung at the Last Night of the Proms.

The prize is twofold: the political influence that would come with breaking the BBC and Sky’s control of British rolling news, along with the potential profits if it is possible to replicate some of the enormous audiences that tune in to watch opinionated talkshow hosts in the US, where Fox News is hugely profitable.

GB News is the work of a company called All Perspectives, controlled by two British-American executives who are associated with the US billionaire John Malone. Known as the “cable cowboy”, Malone chairs Liberty Global, the owner of Virgin Media, as well as the parent company of the Discovery television network.

Andrew Cole, one of the co-founders of GB News, also sits on the board of Liberty Global. He told the Guardian he hoped to be able to discuss the project in September, but he has previously made clear his views on the broadcasting landscape.

He told his LinkedIn followers that the BBC was “possibly the most biased propaganda machine in the world” and to “watch out for announcements of famous presenters and the launch of a completely new TV news channel for the UK – one that will be distinctly different from the out-of-touch incumbents”. He added: “The people need and want this new perspective.”

Sources with knowledge of the project suggested GB News was in discussions with Discovery about a tie-up, with the potential for an announcement in September. It has a licence in place and while this does not guarantee the channel will make it to air – or that it will be called GB News – it means Ofcom has been provided with the outline business case, distribution plans and intended audience. Discovery declined to comment.

The challenge both projects face is the UK’s strict broadcast rules on due impartiality, enforced by the media regulator. One possible route around them is to follow the lead of the radio station LBC, which has achieved record audiences by realising that the rules can be interpreted to allow strongly opinionated presenters, so long as they are balanced out elsewhere in the schedule with alternative viewpoints.

A similar model has been followed by Piers Morgan’s outbursts on ITV’s Good Morning Britain, which regularly become talking points online and drive substantial traffic to tabloid newspapers. News UK’s TalkRadio has pushed this tactic further, with regular debates on culture war hot topics rapidly turned into clips shared on social media.

Rhodes, who was hired by News UK in the spring and most recently served as president of CBS News, is said by sources at the company to have the backing of Lachlan Murdoch, the heir apparent to the business empire. He has been seen taking an interest in the TalkRadio model. A News UK spokesperson declined to comment on the suggestion that a fully fledged news channel was in the works but confirmed he was continuing to work on “video projects”.

One of the great unknowns of any such project is the role of Nigel Farage. The former Ukip leader left LBC amid staff anger over his comments on migrants crossing the Channel, but he has the potential to deliver a ready-made anti-BBC, pro-Brexit audience. He has recently appeared on the Sun’s YouTube channel and TalkRadio, both owned by News UK.

[cheshire pete] 29/8/2020 12:21

Sovereignty non-negotiable.
Can't get that through to Barnier.
No more talks.
WTO.

[cheshire pete] 29/8/2020 12:17

UTT: "As an honorary mensa member with a teflon button hole (iQ 300+)"

Any advance on 300 from the other clever clogs on this BB....Cheshire Pete, probably <50 never bothered enough to find out lol.

[minerve 2] 29/8/2020 12:06

The US in "NO BETTER" than China.

[patientcapital] 29/8/2020 12:02

The Uighurs might find fault in that assertion.

[grahamite2] 29/8/2020 11:30

The sentiment's spot on, freddie, but the illustration's a bit rum!

[minerve 2] 29/8/2020 11:24

I don't think so. But keep up the circus print postings Freddie.


LOL

[diku] 29/8/2020 10:55

I don't think you can compare Ocado with Lloy...look at the amount of shares in issue each has...LLoy has billions and billions and billions...even the buybacks didn't do anything...






At some point shorted shares have to be bought back. Look at Ocado.

[goldfinger16] 29/8/2020 10:45

MENSA question, how do you get a thick c*nt to spend his time posting inane comments and sending private messages.

Easy if the thick c*nt is Gecko the inglorious Basterd.