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[alphorn] 21/10/2019 08:54

P - so you would 'do nothing'?

There is plenty of background for the role of PM UK. This sentence is relevant "The Prime Minister also acts as the public "face" and "voice" of Her Majesty's Government, both at home and abroad".
Just how many governments are there?

[alphorn] 21/10/2019 08:53

The Tories have been lucky over the past few years in having a very weak opposition. They may have been lucky but have still managed to screw almost everything by their own infighting. The country has most certainly suffered. My guess is that a more centre figure will take over from Corbyn prior to an election which could have a major impact.
A strong opposition is always necessary especially in difficult times.

[poikka] 21/10/2019 08:52

Morning Alps and all. We've been over the letter saga, and my view remains the same that it was not his letter so why should he sign it.

The court case was highly questionable, and the motives behind the case totally undemocratic.

Taking the case to court was stretching the credibility of our justice system.

To use the courts for the purpose of foiling democracy brings us into totally new territory.

THAT was what was so wrong, and THAT was the "dirty politics", not Boris' letter.

[xxxxxy] 21/10/2019 08:40

Remainers are intent on damaging the economy.

[diku] 21/10/2019 08:38

It is beyond dirty Politics...

[icejelly] 21/10/2019 08:32

We have dirty politics already.

[alphorn] 21/10/2019 08:31

Poika - the question is do you do nothing about the 3 letter farce? Nobody can say that it was the normal way of communicating to another key party. Result may just be a knuckle rapping but if you do nothing then what will follow? Dirty politics.

[poikka] 21/10/2019 08:12

Joanna Cherry, the 'woman' who is leading the challenge to Boris' letter to the EU.

"On 8 May 2019 The Daily Telegraph reported she had had her official credit card repeatedly suspended for failing to repay money.

On 11 May 2019 The Times reported that Cherry was being investigated by the House of Commons over bullying complaints from four former employees. She was criticised for using the bullying claims – and accusations of transphobia – to advance her leadership ambitions.

One former staffer (out of four who made complaints) took the complaint forward, though Cherry was exonerated from these accusations on 28 June 2019 after an investigation by the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards."

[alphorn] 21/10/2019 08:12

mm2 - looking likely. Worth it just to get rid of the x5 & Co loons.

[freddie01] 21/10/2019 08:12

Thank you for your reply bob.

[xxxxxy] 21/10/2019 08:10

How joining the EU led to a big decline in UK industry
By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: JUNE 16, 2016
There are also crucial issues to understand about how the asymmetric single market did damage to Uk industry. When we joined the EEC, now the EU, in 1973, more barriers to trade had been pulled down in manufacturing than in services. EU rules were often such that UK industry was badly damaged by the shock of joining and the continued shock of staying in as the rules increased and tightened.
When the UK joined the EU we had a 45 million tonnes a year steel industry. Today we are battling to save an 11 million tonnes industry.
When we joined the EU we had a 400,000 tonnes a year aluminium industry. Today we have just 43,000 tonnes of capacity left.
When we joined the EU we had 20 million tonnes of cement capacity. Today we have 12 million tonnes.
Just before we joined the EEC in 1971 we had a 1 million tonnes a year fishing industry. Today we have 600,000 tonnes.
The October 2013 government “Future of Manufacturing” Report shows that between 1951 and 1973 metals output rose 3% a year. Since joining the EEC/EU it has declined by more than 6%
Between 1951 and 1973 food and drink output rose by 5.6% per year. Since joining the EEC/EU it has fallen by 1% a year.
Between 1951 and 1973 textiles output expanded at 2.6% a year. Since joining the EEC/EU it has fallen by more than 6% a year.
Whilst it may not be fair to blame all this decline on membership of the EU, as there are other factors, it nonetheless shows categorically that joining the EU and helping create the so called single market has not helped us grow and has not saved many of our industries from decline.
In some cases EU policies are the main driver of the disaster. The Common Fishing Policy is clearly the main reason for the dreadful decline of our fishing industry, as many foreign vessels were licenced to take our fish. Our energy intensive businesses were often damaged by the high energy prices required by the EU common energy policy.
The EU has prevented UK subsidy of industry under its state aids rules, but has often provided subsidised loans and grants to businesses to set up elsewhere in the EU. The UK has seen a spate of factory closures balanced by new and expanded facilities in poorer EU countries. The UK lost van production to Turkey, car capacity to Slovakia, chocolate to Poland, domestic appliances to the Netherlands and the Czech Republic and metal containers to Poland amongst others in recent years. In various cases there was an EU grant or loan involved in the new capacity.
Looking at our huge balance of payments deficit today in goods with the rest of the EU, we can see the long term impact of the EU’s damage to our manufacturing capacity.
This April’s balance of payments figures show us in heavy deficit in machinery, vehicles, electrical machinery, mineral fuels, plastics, iron and steel, wood and clothing. Last year our total goods trade deficit hit £85 billion with the rest of the EU. Between 2008 and 2015 our exports grew at 5% with the rest of the world, whilst falling with the EU.
Perhaps remain might like to answer the following questions:
Why have we suffered industrial decline and closures with production shifting elsewhere in Europe since joining the EEC?
Why do trade in surplus with the rest of the world but have such a huge deficit with the EU?
Why have we ended up importing fish, electricity, steel and much else when we used to self sufficient?

[mikemichael2] 21/10/2019 08:09

Game over xxxxx, looks like they will do the deal.

[cpap man] 21/10/2019 08:04

Where has the Black Horse [lloyds Bank] thread gone?

[mikemichael2] 21/10/2019 08:04

I see that nutter xxxxx is still balling his head off behind Naga

[xxxxxy] 21/10/2019 08:01

17+ MILLION VOTED TO LEAVE

17 million is a big political movement and has significant purchasing power. Time to start to think about using this.

And there are Dutch bulbs to think about. Dutch Tulips
REALLY THINK HARD BEFORE BUYING ANYTHING from EUSSR
Spanish holiday. Irish holiday. French wine. Belgian chocolate. Think. Etc

The People, at least 17 million can act as well as Parliament.

People. Gloves off. Time to BOYCOTT the EU. The Elite have crushed and twisted and swindled our Democracy. But the People have teeth too and it is time to bare them,

The 'Withdrawal Agreement' cobbled together by May and a two-faced Conservative Party is now no more – is it? Trying to fob off the The Referendum Result and sell this 'agreement' with Fear.

But in effect it is REMAIN all dressed up in new clothing and method. This will never be harmonious, and now may be the time to consider various campaigns such as whether to buy German cars for example.

17 million voted against staying in the EU. That is a lot of buying power. Think before buy now.

Campaign. The politicians have not listened. The Economic War. THE PEOPLE RULE OK!

German cars and apes


German cars unfinished business


And there is the consideration of Continental European wine. Many fine and exciting wines found outside Europe.

Millions of songbirds vacuumed to death every year during Mediterranean olive harvest




The EUSSR has stated publicly it wants to HURT the UK. We too can HURT the EUSSR too, particularly Germany and Vichy France. Spanish holiday. Irish holiday. French wine. Belgian chocolate. Think.


The People can vote and not be listened to. BUT THE PEOPLE CAN ACT . Think before buying from the EUSSR

Pass it on. BOYCOTT the EUSSR. Tusck wants us to go to Hell - the very Gestapo and Mafia thinking that still lies at the heart of the EUSSR

Pass it on. Thank-you

The EUSSR have effectively made it a Cold War with the UK.

Boycott the goods and product of the EUSSR.

LEAVE and WTO

[bspgamer] 21/10/2019 07:59

STOP BREXIT

[xxxxxy] 21/10/2019 07:58

Do not forget

Just to concentrate minds.
SO let's LEAVE and WTO.

2011 - Cadbury moved to Poland with EU grant.

2011 - Ford Transit moved to Turkey with EU grant.

Jaguar Landrover new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, sold to Volkeswagen last week.

Peugeot closed Ryton plant (was Rootes Group) moved production to Slovakia.

British Army's new Ajax armed vehicles to be built in Spain using Swedish steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant instead of Wales.

Dyson goes to Malaysia with an EU grant.

Crown Closures Bournemouth (was Metal Box) gone to Poland with EU grant. Once employed 1,200.

M&S manufacturing gone to FE with EU loan.

Hornby Models gone. All toys and models gone from UK with patents… all with EU grants.

Gillette gone to E. Europe with EU grant.

Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.

Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.

Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil foam plant will relocate to Roemond Netherlands with EU funding.

Hoover Merthyr Tydfil factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company, Candy with EU backing.

ICI integration into Holland's Akzo Nobel with EU bank loan. Within days of the merger, several UK factories were closed eliminating 3,500 jobs.

Boots sold to Italian Stefano Pessina who've based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year using an EU loan for the purchase. Now issued profit warning last week.

JDS Uniphase run by two Dutchmen who bought up companies in the UK with £20 million EU 'regeneration grants', created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean up paid by the UK taxpayer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.

UK airports owned by Spanish company.

Scottish Power owned by Spanish company.

Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies (Deutschebarn).

Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by EDF (Energie de France) part owned by French Govt. using cheap Chinese steel which has catastrophically failed at other nuclear installations. EDF now says the costs will double and it will be very late if it even does come online.

Swindon once made rail locomotives and rolling stock. All transferred to Bombardier in Derby due to their losses in the aviation market will see the end railway manufacture altogether. Bombadier got a grant to keep going in Derby, but diverted it to their loss-making aviation site in Canada.

39% British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies mostly in the EU.

Mini cars are built by BMW in Holland and Austria.

Fans outrage as foreign firm Nestle shrinks Terry's Chocolate Oranges by 10% but price remains the same.

And the last is the destruction of our steel industry. We invented the process in 1856, before Henry Bressemer everything was made of cast iron or bronze/copper! British Steel's receivership loses 25,000 jobs. Makes us dependent on poor quality imports (see above Hinkley Point C) with the knock on effects to manufacturing.

LEAVE and WTO

[bspgamer] 21/10/2019 07:57

SAY NO TO BREXIT

[xxxxxy] 21/10/2019 07:57

10 big wins from just leaving the EU on 31 October

By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: JULY 8, 2019

We can

Spend all the money we save on our priorities

Cut tariffs on imports especially where we cannot grow or make them for ourselves

Remove VAT from items as we wish – as with green items like insulation and boiler controls and feminine hygiene products

Rebuild our fishing grounds and land more of our own fish for home consumption

Work with our farmers to cut food miles and enjoy more home grown produce

Regain our seat and vote in international bodies

Sign Free trade deals that suit us with other countries – all the time we were member s they never managed an FTA with the USA and many Commonwealth countries

Decide our own laws

Cut the costs of government by getting rid of a whole unnecessary EU level

Avoid all the financial and foreign policy risks of the Euro and common EU foreign policy

[xxxxxy] 21/10/2019 07:56

LEAVE and WTO

And save 33 billion for the Great British People

[bspgamer] 21/10/2019 07:56

STOP BREXIT