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[xxxxxy] 09/7/2019 17:32

Boris Boris Boris for PMLEAVE and WTO

[xxxxxy] 09/7/2019 17:31

rosePosted July 9, 2019 at 11:24 am | PermalinkThis is a very wise summary.It seems to me that as soon as the leak took place, whoever did it, the Ambassador should have resigned. After the revelation of such intemperate language and bad judgement, all authority and respect have deserted him. His position is untenable. In the past, if such a thing had happened, swift resignation would have been automatic.Now it appears that the present PM has set a new standard: no matter how badly you perform, no matter how much of a laughing stock you become, cling on to office and its trappings, whatever the cost to the country.It seems to me these leaks from the Civil Service (if that is where they are from) are all connected: the Boris and intelligence leak, the frail old Corbyn leak, and now this, are all destabilising to Brexit. Huge damage is being done to our body politic and our national reputation, as well as our alliances, but to the Brexit deranged, it seems no price is too high.

[cheshire pete] 09/7/2019 17:23

Something inherently dishonest about standing for the leadership of a political party tasked with delivering Brexit having voted to remain in the EU referendum. May and Hunt in the same mould.

[minerve 2] 09/7/2019 17:15

Shy Tott

If you are going to raise the point of failed democracy then I would like to see you agree that bribing MPs to get votes through, closing parliament, using ‘medieval law’ to circumnavigate parliament, asking parliament to vote on the same issue in hope of success, breaking party funding rules, taking outlawed payments from interested parties, allowing 120,000 (or whatever) members to choose direction of the whole country, ignoring parliament’s wishes, expecting MPs to act blindly as servants to the few and not the many, intimidating MPs, intimidating witnesses, not allowing MPs to exercise their own discretion and lying to the electorate are also anti-democratic.

All the above acts executed or threatened by Brexiters.

[jacko07] 09/7/2019 16:57

If any believe that a No Deal is likely I can only presume that you are holding no domestic shares and have hedged your GBP assets. For the more 'racy' posters that will extend to short positions. If not, why not.

Correctomundo Alhorn, no deal looking more and more likely.

[grahamite2] 09/7/2019 16:47

so getting them to work longer will make Brexit less likely not more

Exactly, and that's what he wants.

He's just another con man.

[shy tott] 09/7/2019 16:47

thanks for the invitation to read your thread btw. I'm afraid I have no idea what 'your thread' is. I hope it gets more attention than minerve2's Lloyds thread. Why you two seem to think people are interested in reading personal blogs is beyond me, do you have something special which others don't and therefore want to read about?

[cheshire pete] 09/7/2019 16:37

So Hunt thinks getting MPs to cancel their holidays to sort Brexit will help him win the Leadership. Unbelievable, can he not see that Parliament is the problem so getting them to work longer will make Brexit less likely not more. Best thing would be to extend their holiday until after Halloween, then step forward Boris after we have actually left.

[alphorn] 09/7/2019 16:33

Hit a nerve? I won't filter you but keep your posts for entertainment.

[shy tott] 09/7/2019 16:26

Alphorn my oh my, who started the nastiness? I certainly don't think I continued it, just answered your post quite politely after a weird attack by you. Basically, you can eff off with your questions. Look in the mirror for Mr nasty (for no reason).

[shy tott] 09/7/2019 16:21

careful
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Why do you Brexiteers seem annoyed that Remainers try to reverse the referendum result?




I really think in a democratic country, there should be legislation making it illegal to encourage the perversion of democracy. I see these 'ignore any voting we have had' as incredibly dangerous. Just what type of society do you want? Any sane thinking person would defend the referendum result to the hilt, whether it went their way or not. Your actions really are treachery. I think the only reason this situation can prevail is that much of parliament are traitors too. Again, that is extremely worrying. What is happening at the moment is a desensitising of just how bad democracy destruction is - it's getting to be common parlance with no one batting an eyelid when people say very extreme things (like 'ignore a vote'). The extreme is becoming the norm.

[alphorn] 09/7/2019 16:18

ST - you have quite a nasty streak. Why, I have no idea.

Let me put some very simple questions to you, in the event of a No Deal:
- Do you expect the domestic market to go up or down?
- Do you expect GBP to react adversely or positively?

- How is your strategy positioned to hedge or take advantage (depending upon your approach) of your opinions? Or, you are doing nothing?

Straight answers please. You will get straight answers from me.

If you have any doubt about my strategy you can refer to my thread and you will see that it has been consistent for a long time to the point of sitting and waiting for the expected outcome.

[mr.elbee] 09/7/2019 16:16

KIM Philby anyone?
What an unfortunate name!

[waldron] 09/7/2019 16:00

Trump called the UK envoy a 'very stupid guy' and the timing couldn't be worse for Britain
Luke McGee

Analysis by Luke McGee, CNN

Updated 1433 GMT (2233 HKT) July 9, 2019
Trump says he's done with UK ambassador who slammed him

Trump says he's done with UK ambassador who slammed him 02:09

London (CNN)The UK is currently mired in a wild international crisis, most probably of its own making.
On Sunday, scathing comments about US President Donald Trump made in leaked diplomatic cables by Britain's ambassador to the US, Sir Kim Darroch, were published in a British newspaper.
In the messages, Darroch called the leader of the free world "inept," "insecure," and "incompetent." He said that Trump's career could "end in disgrace" and even said of alleged collusion with Russia that "the worst cannot be ruled out."

Trump responded on Twitter, lashing out at British officials, and claiming that Darroch was never liked by Trump's team and that: "We will no longer deal with him".
He continued to attack Darroch on Tuesday: "The wacky Ambassador that the UK foisted upon the United States is not someone we are thrilled with, a very stupid guy ... I don't know the Ambassador but have been told he is a pompous fool."
Cables from UK's ambassador to the US blast Trump as 'inept,' 'incompetent'
Cables from UK's ambassador to the US blast Trump as 'inept,' 'incompetent'
This whole situation is very weird. A diplomatic service relies on senior diplomats -- and there are few more senior in the UK than our man in DC -- being able to speak their minds, providing what they believe to be accurate, fact-based assessments, and speaking truth to power. That is certainly what Darroch, a career civil servant and not a political appointee, would have assumed to be the case when writing back to London.
And while a lot of attention will be given to the ferocious response from Trump to America's supposed best friend, the more troubling story here is the political meltdown that has taken place in London.
"The ambassador, believe it or not, can get by very easily without having to meet the president at all," Sir Christopher Meyer, a former British ambassador to the US told CNN. "If I were Sir Kim though, I would be more worried about those in London who are determined to do him down."
There are very few in London, including Meyer, who think that this leak was anything more than a politically-motivated hit job on Darroch -- a civil servant who cannot defend himself.
Exactly what those motives are remains unclear but, frankly, there are so many moving parts in British politics at the moment that it could be anything.
Trump tweets likely deal UK ambassador a fatal blow
Trump tweets likely deal UK ambassador a fatal blow
First, there's the race to replace Theresa May as Prime Minister. The final two candidates are frontrunner Boris Johnson, the former foreign secretary, and Jeremy Hunt, the current foreign secretary. Hunt has had to publicly comment on this story in his role as the UK's top diplomat. He has had to walk a tightrope of not criticizing Darroch, while not alienating the most powerful man on earth. Johnson, by contrast, is under no obligation to speak.
Then there's the broader culture war the UK is living through. Brexit (remember that) has both rocked the UK's political system so hard that it's barely recognizable and simultaneously paralyzed politics.
Every political conversation begins and ends with Brexit -- and usually goes absolutely nowhere useful.
Over the course of the past three years, this has veered from polite disagreement between leavers and remainers to unedifying bitterness.
Some Brexiteers think that the civil service has been involved in an establishment stitch-up to make leaving the EU as hard as possible, and that Theresa May has been complicit in trying to steal Brexit from the true believers. Hardened remainers, meanwhile, think that the mainstream media is working against them and lying to the public about the dangers of Brexit.
It's all a bit trippy for a country used to stability and relative normality.
We might not know the source of this leak for a long time. But short of it being the result of foreign interference -- which, though unlikely, isn't being ruled out -- then it will likely have come from someone high up in government or the civil service.
The letter will have been sent to a restricted list. As Christopher Meyer explains: "Kim has sent highly-sensitive material to a very limited audience and people have copied it who shouldn't have copied it, and it has fallen into the hands of someone who's carried out a major sabotage of his ambassadorship for political reasons."
UK ambassador Kim Darroch's op-ed on Churchill and Trump White House
UK ambassador Kim Darroch's op-ed on Churchill and Trump White House
Having diplomats unable to trust the government back in their capital city or the civil service that is supposed to support them is not healthy for any country, let alone one about to take the largest leap into the unknown in its post-war history.
"The leaking of this kind of information is more important than the drama of how a sitting president responds to a sitting ambassador. It's a deeply worrying sign of at a time of national confusion," Tom Tugendhat, who chairs the Foreign Affairs Select Committee, told CNN. "It's, at best, a bad message to be sending to the world as we leave the European Union -- and at worst, a kind of treachery."

Ever since the Brexit vote, the UK has often appeared unaware that people outside are watching. That applies to the Europeans, whom any kind of post-Brexit deal will need to negotiated with. It also applies to the US, a nation that Brexiteers often single out as the UK's best ally after Brexit.
The reality is that the more unstable an impression the UK gives, the harder any of this will be. It doesn't matter how much Trump claims to like Brexit, or the EU claims to want a good deal. If Britain continues to look unreliable, it may find it has fewer friends on the global stage it wanted to stand on after Brexit.

[ladeside] 09/7/2019 15:44

"Kyrgyz Republic – You can’t say it or place it, but the EU just spent more of your money there"

I'd far rather they spent it there as in London, where yet another multi billion £ project sets off in order to cut the journey time for an exec by 10 mins a day.

That's the problem with your type, you are all enveloped in greed and it's all about what YOU can get out of it as opposed to what's best for the wider community.

Shocking attitude........

[minerve 2] 09/7/2019 15:00

You couldn’t make it up!

LOL

[minerve 2] 09/7/2019 14:59

ROFLMAO!

Says a chimp who supports closing parliament!

[grahamite2] 09/7/2019 14:56

careful #264228 the lies of the referendum campaign are history.

xxx was talking about the ongoing, incessant lies Remain is boring us with right now. And I say again, it's because Remain is in its death throes and they no longer care what they do and say.

Remain has said goodbye to honour, honesty and common decency.

[diku] 09/7/2019 14:47

All these Share buybacks and share in issue still stubbornly above 70bln...buy back with one hand and issue more shares with the other...

[minerve 2] 09/7/2019 14:27

You tell me, you are the one professing to be the expert! Are you sure you are not confusing 3 days shelf-life with 3 day’s worth of current inventory?

[fatnacker] 09/7/2019 14:23

Minerve, which chemical added to water is so volatile it can't be stored for more than 3 days?